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Security researcher Chris Roberts FAFO'ed with this some years back. It cost him his consulting company if I recall? https://www.wired.com/2015/05/feds-say-ba

by sbarre 3y ago

Security researcher Chris Roberts FAFO'ed with this some years back. It cost him his consulting company if I recall? https://www.wired.com/2015/05/feds-say-banned-researcher-commandeered-plane/ https://www.wired.com/2015/05/feds-say-banned-researcher-com...

replwoacause 3y ago
Wow, that guy sounds like a total idiot. I was shocked to read how brazen his actions were and if it’s true he commandeered control over the plane and made it list to the side as stated in the article, he belongs in jail.
- closewith 3y ago
  Even if it's not true, the fact he thought that's what he was doing and he continued should ban him from air travel.
  - sbarre 3y ago
    Ironically he is now the CISO for Boom Supersonic[0]. 0: https://boomsupersonic.com/ https://boomsupersonic.com/
    - rafram 3y ago
      Wow, I can’t believe that they’ve actually secured orders from major airlines. Didn’t they learn their lesson with the Concorde?
      - speedgoose 3y ago
        AirFrance and British Airways are not listed.
      - wsgeorge 3y ago
        > Didn’t they learn their lesson with the Concorde? What was the lesson?
        constantly 3y ago
        No one wants to get to Paris quickly.
        wkat4242 3y ago
        They want to get out of Paris quickly though :)
        rafram 3y ago
        Cost-agnostic business travelers are not a large enough segment of the market for transatlantic flights to justify flying a plane that only seats business class and costs a lot of money. (Boom says they're targeting $5,000 fares between NYC and London [1], and I bet they'll end up being even higher, if/when it gets off the ground.) [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/16/23308514/american-airlines-boom-supersonic-jet-order https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/16/23308514/american-airline...
        closewith 3y ago
        I think the lesson was that business travellers prefer comfort to speed, as business class funds the entirety of transatlantic passenger aviation. There's plenty of business-class-only flights.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        https://www.lacompagnie.com/ https://www.lacompagnie.com/ is the only one I’m aware of. What other company offers business only flights?
        glitchc 3y ago
        I would say it's the exact opposite, after all planes replaced ships and that NY to London leg is significantly more comfortable on a ship. Heck if I could cut my NY-London time in half, I'd take it, even if I had to give up lie-flat seats.
      - lupire 3y ago
        It looks like a Theranos or maybe a Tesla. 6 years (and counting)into their 1 year plan to launch the miniature subsonic demo version of their plans.
ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago
https://archive.is/Q1jdu https://archive.is/Q1jdu >According to the FBI affidavit, however, when he mentioned this to agents last February he told them that he also had briefly commandeered a plane during one of those flights. So he admitted to a federal felony, lol. That's even beyond simple FAFO. >“It would appear from what I’ve seen that the federal guys took one paragraph out of a lot of discussions and a lot of meetings and notes and just chose that one as opposed to plenty of others.” "Anything you say can and will be used against you", which is why you Don't Talk To The Police. https://youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
- tyjen 3y ago
  Just to piggy back, people need to be aware how degraded their legal protections have become over the past two decades. For example, mens rea protections are becoming nonexistent, because certain administrations have eroded them and they may disappear if people don't stop voting for the political entities pushing for their erasure. It's an incredibly dangerous situation that most Americans are completely unaware of.
  - vore 3y ago
    I don't know about you but surely this person is definitely knowingly doing something negligent enough to constitute mens rea.
simg 3y ago
wow, I came here to comment that of course passengers can't hack an airplane, at least in the sense of taking control of it, because there's no way that anyone with half a brain wouldn't have an absolute air gap between the passenger facing systems and the flight control systems. still not sure I believe it!
- deleted 3y ago
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- winternewt 3y ago
  Your car has the same problem
  - JadeNB 3y ago
    > Your car has the same problem My car is much less likely to be carrying hundreds of unidentified passengers, though, and any individual passenger messing around is harder to miss.
    - eastbound 3y ago
      But more prone to infotainment saturating the CAN bus. Infotainment can be hacked using the 5G connection facilities which no-one takes seriously. The CAN bus also drives the brakes. I wouldn’t say it’s as easy as cutting the brake cables in 1950, but it’s as efficient.
      - sokoloff 3y ago
        > cutting the brake cables in 1950 Service brakes were typically hydraulic long before 1950. Only parking brakes would have been cable operated on the overwhelming majority of cars on the road in 1950 (or since).
    - CatWChainsaw 3y ago
      If a car can receive OTA updates it can receive OTA hacks, no passenger in car required.
maxbond 3y ago
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by sbarre 3y ago

replwoacause 3y ago

Wow, that guy sounds like a total idiot. I was shocked to read how brazen his actions were and if it’s true he commandeered control over the plane and made it list to the side as stated in the article, he belongs in jail.

closewith 3y ago
Even if it's not true, the fact he thought that's what he was doing and he continued should ban him from air travel.
- sbarre 3y ago
  Ironically he is now the CISO for Boom Supersonic[0]. 0: https://boomsupersonic.com/ https://boomsupersonic.com/
  - rafram 3y ago
    Wow, I can’t believe that they’ve actually secured orders from major airlines. Didn’t they learn their lesson with the Concorde?
    - speedgoose 3y ago
      AirFrance and British Airways are not listed.
    - wsgeorge 3y ago
      > Didn’t they learn their lesson with the Concorde? What was the lesson?
      - constantly 3y ago
        No one wants to get to Paris quickly.
        wkat4242 3y ago
        They want to get out of Paris quickly though :)
      - rafram 3y ago
        Cost-agnostic business travelers are not a large enough segment of the market for transatlantic flights to justify flying a plane that only seats business class and costs a lot of money. (Boom says they're targeting $5,000 fares between NYC and London [1], and I bet they'll end up being even higher, if/when it gets off the ground.) [1]: https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/16/23308514/american-airlines-boom-supersonic-jet-order https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/16/23308514/american-airline...
        closewith 3y ago
        I think the lesson was that business travellers prefer comfort to speed, as business class funds the entirety of transatlantic passenger aviation. There's plenty of business-class-only flights.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        https://www.lacompagnie.com/ https://www.lacompagnie.com/ is the only one I’m aware of. What other company offers business only flights?
        glitchc 3y ago
        I would say it's the exact opposite, after all planes replaced ships and that NY to London leg is significantly more comfortable on a ship. Heck if I could cut my NY-London time in half, I'd take it, even if I had to give up lie-flat seats.
    - lupire 3y ago
      It looks like a Theranos or maybe a Tesla. 6 years (and counting)into their 1 year plan to launch the miniature subsonic demo version of their plans.

ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago

https://archive.is/Q1jdu https://archive.is/Q1jdu >According to the FBI affidavit, however, when he mentioned this to agents last February he told them that he also had briefly commandeered a plane during one of those flights. So he admitted to a federal felony, lol. That's even beyond simple FAFO. >“It would appear from what I’ve seen that the federal guys took one paragraph out of a lot of discussions and a lot of meetings and notes and just chose that one as opposed to plenty of others.” "Anything you say can and will be used against you", which is why you Don't Talk To The Police. https://youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

tyjen 3y ago
Just to piggy back, people need to be aware how degraded their legal protections have become over the past two decades. For example, mens rea protections are becoming nonexistent, because certain administrations have eroded them and they may disappear if people don't stop voting for the political entities pushing for their erasure. It's an incredibly dangerous situation that most Americans are completely unaware of.
- vore 3y ago
  I don't know about you but surely this person is definitely knowingly doing something negligent enough to constitute mens rea.

simg 3y ago

wow, I came here to comment that of course passengers can't hack an airplane, at least in the sense of taking control of it, because there's no way that anyone with half a brain wouldn't have an absolute air gap between the passenger facing systems and the flight control systems. still not sure I believe it!

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winternewt 3y ago
Your car has the same problem
- JadeNB 3y ago
  > Your car has the same problem My car is much less likely to be carrying hundreds of unidentified passengers, though, and any individual passenger messing around is harder to miss.
  - eastbound 3y ago
    But more prone to infotainment saturating the CAN bus. Infotainment can be hacked using the 5G connection facilities which no-one takes seriously. The CAN bus also drives the brakes. I wouldn’t say it’s as easy as cutting the brake cables in 1950, but it’s as efficient.
    - sokoloff 3y ago
      > cutting the brake cables in 1950 Service brakes were typically hydraulic long before 1950. Only parking brakes would have been cable operated on the overwhelming majority of cars on the road in 1950 (or since).
  - CatWChainsaw 3y ago
    If a car can receive OTA updates it can receive OTA hacks, no passenger in car required.

maxbond 3y ago

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