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>I'm friends with Rachel and the stalker dude is real I would keep in mind the possibility that she herself is sending out this stalker material. If she has a

>I'm friends with Rachel and the stalker dude is real I would keep in mind the possibility that she herself is sending out this stalker material. If she has a history of generating drama, as has been suggested by others from communities she's been previously involved in, creating a stalker is the perfect device. Her account of the stalker's tactics is quite extreme: I've never heard of any case where a cyberstalker has taken things as far as she claims this stalker has. Some evidence would help her case. As an aside, just to let you know where my perspective comes from, I've been involved in the past with noise/industrial music communities and have met some extreme, sociopathic individuals. I also currently have a friend who claims he's stalked but my best guess, after years of knowing him, is that it's a psychological manifestation. He has lost at least one creative deal by sending, out of the blue, abusive electronic communication. People can act in unusual ways, even intelligent, articulate people that are normally personable.

auntjanetreno 15y ago
she had a restraining order on HER for stalking! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14, @12:18PM (#39685675) and also from her own blog: > > Experiment Haywire's Blog > Sign up > Mar 22, 2009 > Prometheus Burning threatens legal action against me for "stalking" > I hate that I need to share this with everyone but I feel that my > legal safety might be in danger and am making this post to ask for > advice. I am currently scared out of my mind. > > Remember the band that called me a "lonely wannabe poser with no > musical skill" and a "hypocritical talentless hack" after staging > public drama with me for publicity? The band that harassed me to > the point where I actually had to call my sick mother for help? My > mother was conservative enough to file a DMCA charge against this > band for posting a private email of mine to the public. While I did > not want this private email posted and felt an extreme sense of > violation I strongly disapproved of my mother's actions regarding > the DMCA. (an organization which I utterly despise) In the end my > mother was in critical medical condition and was simply trying to > get this band to leave me alone- yet when she brought the DMCA into > this I was furious. > > I recently emailed the band and apologized for the actions of my > mother. I mentioned that I liked their music and that I would like > to put the past behind us. I used to be on good terms with this > band. I was a constant promoter of their music and spun them > consistently as a DJ in NYC when nobody else had heard of them. We > had mutual friends and (as far as I saw it) absolutely no reason to > perpetuate any conflict between us. I planned to support them on > tour along with Caustic and The Gothsicles in Atlanta. I figured > that it would be a great time. > > Until they told me the following on a public forum: > > "We have saved every email and message you have sent to Nikki. We > have saved every message, bulletin, etc. you have posted that > mentions us and we have saved every post you ever made on these > forums and others that mention us. Your stalker behavior is well > documented by us and by our lawyer. We have not taken the steps to > get a PFA against you as of yet, but we have more than enough > documentation to do so when we feel it necessary." -Prometheus > Burning > > Just wow. I don't appreciate people making false accusations about > me and I certainly don't appreciate being threatened with a lawyer > for a crime that I did not commit. Most importantly though: do they > have any idea what stalking actually is? As someone who has been > stalked before (and I'm not just talking about ex-boyfriends > failing to leave me alone but an actual sociopath making constant > threats against the lives of me and the people dear to me) I am > strongly offended by the way this band has used the term "stalking" > to refer to my attempt at a peaceful resolution. Stalking is not a > joke. If you have ever been stalked before you know what it's like > to beg for your stalker to leave you alone only to be told not to > further engage him. If you have ever been stalked before you know > what it's like to walk into a public place in fear of your life. If > you have ever been stalked before you know that horrible sinking > feeling you get when your stalker contacts you. It is not a > pleasant feeling. (to say the least) > > Stalking is not something to fuck around with. Accusing someone of > stalking is a lot like accusing someone of domestic abuse. If this > person didn't stalk or abuse you then you are minimizing the > struggles of thousands of individuals who are stalked and abused. > Many of these people have emailed me in tears to confide. Yet now > this band is claiming that I am stalking them. What can I do? I'm > being threatened with legal action for a crime that I did not > commit. A crime that I myself have been a target of. > > At least there is some comic relief to this story. I was trying to > understand the motivation behind all of their harassment. At first > I didn't pay any attention to the messages I was getting from > friends who were telling me this band was now ripping off my vocal > style. I honestly didn't give a fuck because I had other things to > focus on. Yet when they started threatening legal action against me > for "stalking" I went to their myspace page. Behold. > > Did they rip off my vocals? I want to say no because my delivery is > a lot more punk rock but I couldn't help noticing that the lead > singer was now using my same vocal patterns, screaming/talking > style, word emphasis, etc. in their songs. This was not what was > most surprising to me though. What was surprising to me was that > these pseudo-occult types who were avid readers of Acidexia in its > blog form and readers of Generation Hex (the Disinformation chaos > magick anthology that you can find my writing in) were using every > concept I'd written about in Acidexia and Generation Hex for their > band. > > Their "influences" are as follows: > > Self Destructive Behavior > Sensory Deprivation > Transhumanism > Chaos Magick > Traumatic Childhood Experiences > Abusive Relationships > Bi-Polar Depression > Insomnia > Aleister Crowley > Panic Disorder > Vivid Dreaming and Nightmares > Clive Barker > The Black Arts > Robert Anton Wilson > Discordia > Genesis P Orridge > Timothy Leary > HR Giger > Tentacle Rape > Smoking crack while worshiping the Dark Lord > > With the exception of the tentacle rape and smoking crack it was > pretty much a word-for-word summary of Acidexia. Their lyrics > followed a similar rip-off mentality. Mother of Abominations? I was > writing about that when I was 17. The darker side of chaos magick? > Nope, never been there before! At this point it was just getting > hilarious and I started to see what was actually going on. This > band was trying to run me out by accusing me of "stalking" them so > people wouldn't see that they'd been ripping off my ideas with > their new album. Well here's some news for the entire occult > community: their new album is everything that I wrote about in > Acidexia before I even started Experiment Haywire. > > I'm also curious how much they actually know about chaos magick. > I'm not sure wearing a TOPY necklace counts as much of anything but > I could be wrong. This band wanted attention through having drama > with someone who wasn't well liked in the industrial scene. Now > they've got it. Again. I am sure they will enjoy the occult > attention too. Quit watering down chaos magick with your tribute to > 90's industrial. It's not good for the new paradigm. > > If anyone has any legal advice for me it would be much appreciated. > I apologize for having to post this but I'm not sure what else to > do. I am seriously freaking out. > > Thanks for listening, > Rachel Haywire >
agent409 15y ago
Yeah, I can vouch for Rachel though. I've known her stalker personally and they were both friends of mine at one point. I get what you're saying though, and you're absolutely right: there's a lot of fucked up attention-whoring people out there. I actually wish you were right because then it would just be Rachel and nobody else. Unfortunately it's several more people than that...
- mcantelon 15y ago
  Collaborating on a web page detailing his stalking and techniques could be useful in convincing people that he's real. Sounds like he might be quite tenacious about trying to have that sort of thing removed, but it could be repeatedly reposted to different places. If folks can managed to keep "Addicted to Hate" (about the Phelps family of lawyers) on the web, it's likely possible to publish details about this fellow, assuming he's not part of some elite caste.
  - agent409 15y ago
    There was a site for this: http://extinct-marsupial.org/ http://extinct-marsupial.org/ However, the guy running it got tired of the constant harassment, bogus DMCA takedown requests, and DoS attacks. You can see all kinds of references to the site in the google cache and other places. That was our main d0x site. Unfortunately it appears our friendly neighborhood stalker was able to get Wayback to exclude the whole site, so we don't have a copy on there anymore. https://plus.google.com/105224804026588644838/posts/SweFTRjuPk8 https://plus.google.com/105224804026588644838/posts/SweFTRju...
    - mcantelon 15y ago
      Too bad it's down. This guy seems remarkably thorough. Does he come from money? I'm just wondering how he gets the time to do this as it seems like it would take a lot of work.
      - grannygoodness 15y ago

auntjanetreno 15y ago

she had a restraining order on HER for stalking! (Score:0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14, @12:18PM (#39685675) and also from her own blog: > > Experiment Haywire's Blog > Sign up > Mar 22, 2009 > Prometheus Burning threatens legal action against me for "stalking" > I hate that I need to share this with everyone but I feel that my > legal safety might be in danger and am making this post to ask for > advice. I am currently scared out of my mind. > > Remember the band that called me a "lonely wannabe poser with no > musical skill" and a "hypocritical talentless hack" after staging > public drama with me for publicity? The band that harassed me to > the point where I actually had to call my sick mother for help? My > mother was conservative enough to file a DMCA charge against this > band for posting a private email of mine to the public. While I did > not want this private email posted and felt an extreme sense of > violation I strongly disapproved of my mother's actions regarding > the DMCA. (an organization which I utterly despise) In the end my > mother was in critical medical condition and was simply trying to > get this band to leave me alone- yet when she brought the DMCA into > this I was furious. > > I recently emailed the band and apologized for the actions of my > mother. I mentioned that I liked their music and that I would like > to put the past behind us. I used to be on good terms with this > band. I was a constant promoter of their music and spun them > consistently as a DJ in NYC when nobody else had heard of them. We > had mutual friends and (as far as I saw it) absolutely no reason to > perpetuate any conflict between us. I planned to support them on > tour along with Caustic and The Gothsicles in Atlanta. I figured > that it would be a great time. > > Until they told me the following on a public forum: > > "We have saved every email and message you have sent to Nikki. We > have saved every message, bulletin, etc. you have posted that > mentions us and we have saved every post you ever made on these > forums and others that mention us. Your stalker behavior is well > documented by us and by our lawyer. We have not taken the steps to > get a PFA against you as of yet, but we have more than enough > documentation to do so when we feel it necessary." -Prometheus > Burning > > Just wow. I don't appreciate people making false accusations about > me and I certainly don't appreciate being threatened with a lawyer > for a crime that I did not commit. Most importantly though: do they > have any idea what stalking actually is? As someone who has been > stalked before (and I'm not just talking about ex-boyfriends > failing to leave me alone but an actual sociopath making constant > threats against the lives of me and the people dear to me) I am > strongly offended by the way this band has used the term "stalking" > to refer to my attempt at a peaceful resolution. Stalking is not a > joke. If you have ever been stalked before you know what it's like > to beg for your stalker to leave you alone only to be told not to > further engage him. If you have ever been stalked before you know > what it's like to walk into a public place in fear of your life. If > you have ever been stalked before you know that horrible sinking > feeling you get when your stalker contacts you. It is not a > pleasant feeling. (to say the least) > > Stalking is not something to fuck around with. Accusing someone of > stalking is a lot like accusing someone of domestic abuse. If this > person didn't stalk or abuse you then you are minimizing the > struggles of thousands of individuals who are stalked and abused. > Many of these people have emailed me in tears to confide. Yet now > this band is claiming that I am stalking them. What can I do? I'm > being threatened with legal action for a crime that I did not > commit. A crime that I myself have been a target of. > > At least there is some comic relief to this story. I was trying to > understand the motivation behind all of their harassment. At first > I didn't pay any attention to the messages I was getting from > friends who were telling me this band was now ripping off my vocal > style. I honestly didn't give a fuck because I had other things to > focus on. Yet when they started threatening legal action against me > for "stalking" I went to their myspace page. Behold. > > Did they rip off my vocals? I want to say no because my delivery is > a lot more punk rock but I couldn't help noticing that the lead > singer was now using my same vocal patterns, screaming/talking > style, word emphasis, etc. in their songs. This was not what was > most surprising to me though. What was surprising to me was that > these pseudo-occult types who were avid readers of Acidexia in its > blog form and readers of Generation Hex (the Disinformation chaos > magick anthology that you can find my writing in) were using every > concept I'd written about in Acidexia and Generation Hex for their > band. > > Their "influences" are as follows: > > Self Destructive Behavior > Sensory Deprivation > Transhumanism > Chaos Magick > Traumatic Childhood Experiences > Abusive Relationships > Bi-Polar Depression > Insomnia > Aleister Crowley > Panic Disorder > Vivid Dreaming and Nightmares > Clive Barker > The Black Arts > Robert Anton Wilson > Discordia > Genesis P Orridge > Timothy Leary > HR Giger > Tentacle Rape > Smoking crack while worshiping the Dark Lord > > With the exception of the tentacle rape and smoking crack it was > pretty much a word-for-word summary of Acidexia. Their lyrics > followed a similar rip-off mentality. Mother of Abominations? I was > writing about that when I was 17. The darker side of chaos magick? > Nope, never been there before! At this point it was just getting > hilarious and I started to see what was actually going on. This > band was trying to run me out by accusing me of "stalking" them so > people wouldn't see that they'd been ripping off my ideas with > their new album. Well here's some news for the entire occult > community: their new album is everything that I wrote about in > Acidexia before I even started Experiment Haywire. > > I'm also curious how much they actually know about chaos magick. > I'm not sure wearing a TOPY necklace counts as much of anything but > I could be wrong. This band wanted attention through having drama > with someone who wasn't well liked in the industrial scene. Now > they've got it. Again. I am sure they will enjoy the occult > attention too. Quit watering down chaos magick with your tribute to > 90's industrial. It's not good for the new paradigm. > > If anyone has any legal advice for me it would be much appreciated. > I apologize for having to post this but I'm not sure what else to > do. I am seriously freaking out. > > Thanks for listening, > Rachel Haywire >

agent409 15y ago

Yeah, I can vouch for Rachel though. I've known her stalker personally and they were both friends of mine at one point. I get what you're saying though, and you're absolutely right: there's a lot of fucked up attention-whoring people out there. I actually wish you were right because then it would just be Rachel and nobody else. Unfortunately it's several more people than that...

mcantelon 15y ago
Collaborating on a web page detailing his stalking and techniques could be useful in convincing people that he's real. Sounds like he might be quite tenacious about trying to have that sort of thing removed, but it could be repeatedly reposted to different places. If folks can managed to keep "Addicted to Hate" (about the Phelps family of lawyers) on the web, it's likely possible to publish details about this fellow, assuming he's not part of some elite caste.
- agent409 15y ago
  There was a site for this: http://extinct-marsupial.org/ http://extinct-marsupial.org/ However, the guy running it got tired of the constant harassment, bogus DMCA takedown requests, and DoS attacks. You can see all kinds of references to the site in the google cache and other places. That was our main d0x site. Unfortunately it appears our friendly neighborhood stalker was able to get Wayback to exclude the whole site, so we don't have a copy on there anymore. https://plus.google.com/105224804026588644838/posts/SweFTRjuPk8 https://plus.google.com/105224804026588644838/posts/SweFTRju...
  - mcantelon 15y ago
    Too bad it's down. This guy seems remarkably thorough. Does he come from money? I'm just wondering how he gets the time to do this as it seems like it would take a lot of work.
    - grannygoodness 15y ago