5 ms·

Cmon yall, they are trying to nudge you back to the office. Get it?

7thaccount 3y ago
Lol it's honestly laughable at this point. A couple of zoom calls may suck, but certainly less than commuting to have the same meeting in a stuffy room.
- mort96 3y ago
  You just ... say that as if it's universally true for everyone? I would hate it if I had to have all my meetings as video calls.
  - thsksbd 3y ago
    Before COVID most of my meetings were video confrence. The difference being that I had to be in a stuffy room with a half dozen other people adding their own particular je ne sais quois to the smell.
  - Kye 3y ago
    The problem seems to be the endless meetings, not work from home.
    - mort96 3y ago
      I'm not in endless meetings, I'm in a reasonable amount of to-the-point meetings. I hated when all of them were all video calls during the various lockdowns. I choose to go to the office on most days, because I prefer that. Not everyone prefer all remote all the time, and you people need to stop that everyone else is like you.
      - 7thaccount 3y ago
        Nobody cares if you like to go in to the office and isn't trying to convince you otherwise that everything should be remote. More power to you. My wife prefers a fairly crappy commute as she can't focus at home. That's fine. However, a lot of us prefer remote and do great in that context and see a lot more ups than downs to working from home. That's also fine, but unlike in-office work, there's a barrage of BS studies and PHB managers and executives that are trying to pull every stunt imaginable to get people to come back to the office. Sure, there is some additional synergy (to use a corporate buzz word) that they've lost, but mainly, they want the control back that they had prior to remote where people couldn't switch jobs as easily for higher pay. They're also freaking out about the corporate real estate losses and it isn't my problem that their investment is now worthless. Claims of people not doing anything from home are kind of worthless as it's the same people in both scenarios. Those that are skating by with the minimum workload were doing the same in their cube.
        mort96 3y ago
        To be clear, I responded to this comment: > A couple of zoom calls may suck, but certainly less than commuting to have the same meeting in a stuffy room. Maybe I read too much into the comment. Maybe it was just meant as a way of saying "I personally prefer remote work + video conferences to in-person meetings". But I feel like there's a narrative that developers actually uniformly prefer remote work, and that the comment reflected that narrative.
        Kye 3y ago
        You might have clicked the wrong reply link. That's definitely not what you responded to.
        mort96 3y ago
        My original comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415864) is a response to the comment I quoted (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415793 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415793).
        Kye 3y ago
        Threaded discussions are as old as the internet. They're not some new thing where the social norms are still under negotiation. The whole point is to allow conversations to branch off in different directions. They're not private chat rooms between you and the person you replied to. Your response[0] was to my comment[1]. If you meant to reply to [2], you should have clicked that reply link instead of replying to my comment. I'm not /u/7thaccount. It's an easy and common mistake most people just acknowledge and move on from. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38416060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38416060 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415924 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415924 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415793 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415793
        mort96 3y ago
      - Kye 3y ago
        It seems like the Back To Office crowd has the most people wanting to force their preferences on others and the most people with the ability to actually force it. I'm not a cop or your boss. I can't make you do anything.
- thsksbd 3y ago
  With bad ventilation and no windows. The conference room where I used to work was unbearable with just two persons after 10 minutes. Every other Friday we had a three hour long meeting with at least half a dozen people. And it was virtual too - we had to stare at a screen and aim a camera at ourselves
  - 7thaccount 3y ago
    I constantly had to go open the sliding door of mine as we all practically axphinciated (can't spell this word apparently lol) each day.
sublinear 3y ago
"They" want us back in the office or to even replace us with AI simply because the only insight they have is from their incompetent middle management and they're only seeing it get worse. It's almost as if one should understand the business they're running if they want it to succeed. Perhaps they don't and nihilistically bide their time believing their feet will never have to touch the ground as long as they still have money they equally and severely misunderstand.
kibwen 3y ago
Pointing out that video meetings are bad doesn't mean that remote work is bad. I'm sure remote workers would be happy to excise this unnecessary practice.
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]

Lol it's honestly laughable at this point. A couple of zoom calls may suck, but certainly less than commuting to have the same meeting in a stuffy room.

mort96 3y ago
You just ... say that as if it's universally true for everyone? I would hate it if I had to have all my meetings as video calls.
- thsksbd 3y ago
  Before COVID most of my meetings were video confrence. The difference being that I had to be in a stuffy room with a half dozen other people adding their own particular je ne sais quois to the smell.
- Kye 3y ago
  The problem seems to be the endless meetings, not work from home.
  - mort96 3y ago
    I'm not in endless meetings, I'm in a reasonable amount of to-the-point meetings. I hated when all of them were all video calls during the various lockdowns. I choose to go to the office on most days, because I prefer that. Not everyone prefer all remote all the time, and you people need to stop that everyone else is like you.
    - 7thaccount 3y ago
      Nobody cares if you like to go in to the office and isn't trying to convince you otherwise that everything should be remote. More power to you. My wife prefers a fairly crappy commute as she can't focus at home. That's fine. However, a lot of us prefer remote and do great in that context and see a lot more ups than downs to working from home. That's also fine, but unlike in-office work, there's a barrage of BS studies and PHB managers and executives that are trying to pull every stunt imaginable to get people to come back to the office. Sure, there is some additional synergy (to use a corporate buzz word) that they've lost, but mainly, they want the control back that they had prior to remote where people couldn't switch jobs as easily for higher pay. They're also freaking out about the corporate real estate losses and it isn't my problem that their investment is now worthless. Claims of people not doing anything from home are kind of worthless as it's the same people in both scenarios. Those that are skating by with the minimum workload were doing the same in their cube.
      - mort96 3y ago
        To be clear, I responded to this comment: > A couple of zoom calls may suck, but certainly less than commuting to have the same meeting in a stuffy room. Maybe I read too much into the comment. Maybe it was just meant as a way of saying "I personally prefer remote work + video conferences to in-person meetings". But I feel like there's a narrative that developers actually uniformly prefer remote work, and that the comment reflected that narrative.
        Kye 3y ago
        You might have clicked the wrong reply link. That's definitely not what you responded to.
        mort96 3y ago
        My original comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415864 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415864) is a response to the comment I quoted (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415793 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415793).
        Kye 3y ago
        Threaded discussions are as old as the internet. They're not some new thing where the social norms are still under negotiation. The whole point is to allow conversations to branch off in different directions. They're not private chat rooms between you and the person you replied to. Your response[0] was to my comment[1]. If you meant to reply to [2], you should have clicked that reply link instead of replying to my comment. I'm not /u/7thaccount. It's an easy and common mistake most people just acknowledge and move on from. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38416060 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38416060 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415924 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415924 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415793 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38415793
        mort96 3y ago
    - Kye 3y ago
      It seems like the Back To Office crowd has the most people wanting to force their preferences on others and the most people with the ability to actually force it. I'm not a cop or your boss. I can't make you do anything.
thsksbd 3y ago
With bad ventilation and no windows. The conference room where I used to work was unbearable with just two persons after 10 minutes. Every other Friday we had a three hour long meeting with at least half a dozen people. And it was virtual too - we had to stare at a screen and aim a camera at ourselves
- 7thaccount 3y ago
  I constantly had to go open the sliding door of mine as we all practically axphinciated (can't spell this word apparently lol) each day.

sublinear 3y ago

"They" want us back in the office or to even replace us with AI simply because the only insight they have is from their incompetent middle management and they're only seeing it get worse. It's almost as if one should understand the business they're running if they want it to succeed. Perhaps they don't and nihilistically bide their time believing their feet will never have to touch the ground as long as they still have money they equally and severely misunderstand.

kibwen 3y ago

Pointing out that video meetings are bad doesn't mean that remote work is bad. I'm sure remote workers would be happy to excise this unnecessary practice.

deleted 3y ago

[deleted]