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> Your area may have gotten above freezing every day in 2011 Yeah, my area and most of the rest of the state. And pretty much every major population center. Th

> Your area may have gotten above freezing every day in 2011 Yeah, my area and most of the rest of the state. And pretty much every major population center. That's a massive difference. You're pointing to one of the smaller/midsize cities that isn't even a part of ERCOT. It really shows how much you don't understand about the situation if you're arguing the state of Texas' grid and using weather data from El Paso to back your argument. El Paso is one of the coldest cities in Texas in the winter. Its not indicative of most of the state. And its not connected anyways. You should have picked Amarillo if you wanted to single out a cold city for an imbalanced data point, at least it would have been connected to ERCOT. 2021 was way colder for the entire state. That makes a massive difference.

Retric 3y ago
> 2021 was way colder for the entire state. Except not the entire state, I was pointing to one of several areas that got above freezing every day in 2021 while also being dramatically colder in 2011. So your experience wasn’t shared across the entire state just the highest population areas. As to ERCOT seriously fucking everything up, well yea that’s completely accurate. Yet, Foard County along several other counties are within ERCOT and didn’t lose power from the 2021 storm. Those are low population areas, but understanding why power outages where continuous relates both to lack of power but also an inability to route available power.
- vel0city 3y ago
  > So your experience wasn’t shared across the entire state just the highest population areas. Gee, wonder where the majority of the energy usage is...
  - Retric 3y ago
    Highest density isn’t the majority. Roughly 1/2 the population had any power distributions from the 2021 storm, and many of those were fairly minor. The lack of transmission infrastructure meant they couldn’t spread the pain evenly across the state and thus it concentrated on ~4 million customers who got absolutely fucked.
    - vel0city 3y ago
      Houston, Austin, DFW, San Antonio metro areas is like 20/29 million. If 20 out of 29 isn't a majority I don't know what to say. Keep proving to me you don't understand what you're talking about if you want. I'm probably done after having to say 20/29 is greater than 50% and point out El Paso isn't in ERCOT.
      - Retric 3y ago
        Most of the Texas triangle is rural. When they say 20 million people in the Texas triangle they are including many farmers etc who aren’t living in a town or city. As to different experiences: https://publichealthmaps.org/motw-2021/2021/2/17/17-february-2021-state-of-texas-power-outage-map-united-states https://publichealthmaps.org/motw-2021/2021/2/17/17-february... Wilson, Guadalupe and a few outer counties within that metro area didn’t lose power, others had saw only a fraction of their area suffer blackouts. “At the peak, over 5 million people in Texas were without power,[67] with 11 million experiencing an outage at some point,[22] some for more than 3 days.[68]” out of 29 million that’s a long way from 50%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis Similarly the temperatures experienced across the Texas triangle varied significantly, it’s a big area. (The site I use for weather data seems to be down for maintenance.)
        vel0city 3y ago
        > Most of the Texas triangle is rural. Sure, but not most of the population nor most of power usage. That 20M figure was simply adding those metro areas, ignoring College Station, Corsicana, Waco, Hearne, etc. Only the metro areas, only the dense (for Texas) areas. Empty fields don't use much electricity. And yeah, many areas never lost power. I'm not arguing against that. After the giant issue most operators stopped trying to do rolling blackouts as obviously operators didn't know what was safe to turn off. Trying to resume rolling blackouts was a massive risk, so most just stayed static. Once again you're showing you don't really know what was going on during the time. I never lost power, but circuits all around me were without because my grid operator did some initial rolling blackouts and gave up after they took out a bunch of gas refineries. If you really think it was mostly a distribution problem it really shows you don't know what was going on. Keep digging that hole deeper buddy.

Retric 3y ago

> 2021 was way colder for the entire state. Except not the entire state, I was pointing to one of several areas that got above freezing every day in 2021 while also being dramatically colder in 2011. So your experience wasn’t shared across the entire state just the highest population areas. As to ERCOT seriously fucking everything up, well yea that’s completely accurate. Yet, Foard County along several other counties are within ERCOT and didn’t lose power from the 2021 storm. Those are low population areas, but understanding why power outages where continuous relates both to lack of power but also an inability to route available power.

vel0city 3y ago
> So your experience wasn’t shared across the entire state just the highest population areas. Gee, wonder where the majority of the energy usage is...
- Retric 3y ago
  Highest density isn’t the majority. Roughly 1/2 the population had any power distributions from the 2021 storm, and many of those were fairly minor. The lack of transmission infrastructure meant they couldn’t spread the pain evenly across the state and thus it concentrated on ~4 million customers who got absolutely fucked.
  - vel0city 3y ago
    Houston, Austin, DFW, San Antonio metro areas is like 20/29 million. If 20 out of 29 isn't a majority I don't know what to say. Keep proving to me you don't understand what you're talking about if you want. I'm probably done after having to say 20/29 is greater than 50% and point out El Paso isn't in ERCOT.
    - Retric 3y ago
      Most of the Texas triangle is rural. When they say 20 million people in the Texas triangle they are including many farmers etc who aren’t living in a town or city. As to different experiences: https://publichealthmaps.org/motw-2021/2021/2/17/17-february-2021-state-of-texas-power-outage-map-united-states https://publichealthmaps.org/motw-2021/2021/2/17/17-february... Wilson, Guadalupe and a few outer counties within that metro area didn’t lose power, others had saw only a fraction of their area suffer blackouts. “At the peak, over 5 million people in Texas were without power,[67] with 11 million experiencing an outage at some point,[22] some for more than 3 days.[68]” out of 29 million that’s a long way from 50%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis Similarly the temperatures experienced across the Texas triangle varied significantly, it’s a big area. (The site I use for weather data seems to be down for maintenance.)
      - vel0city 3y ago
        > Most of the Texas triangle is rural. Sure, but not most of the population nor most of power usage. That 20M figure was simply adding those metro areas, ignoring College Station, Corsicana, Waco, Hearne, etc. Only the metro areas, only the dense (for Texas) areas. Empty fields don't use much electricity. And yeah, many areas never lost power. I'm not arguing against that. After the giant issue most operators stopped trying to do rolling blackouts as obviously operators didn't know what was safe to turn off. Trying to resume rolling blackouts was a massive risk, so most just stayed static. Once again you're showing you don't really know what was going on during the time. I never lost power, but circuits all around me were without because my grid operator did some initial rolling blackouts and gave up after they took out a bunch of gas refineries. If you really think it was mostly a distribution problem it really shows you don't know what was going on. Keep digging that hole deeper buddy.