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This morning our pirate censorship battles were the first thing that popped into my mind when I woke up. I thought how much more effective public outcry would

This morning our pirate censorship battles were the first thing that popped into my mind when I woke up. I thought how much more effective public outcry would be if we phrased things in terms of the creation of censorship infrastructure. I object most to that. Here we see the criminalization of a note on where to find information. For now, it is only applied to illegal information like the Pirate Bay, but it's establishing a precedent that can be used against anything.

Create 15y ago
http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/#Object http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/#Object
dhimes 15y ago
I really like this idea. How an issue is framed is crucial to the battle because this may eventually make it to the public. I am also bothered by the lack of proper due process afforded to these bastards. Don't tell anybody, but I am secretly a little sympathetic to the cause of protecting copyright. But that can be abused and without a strong set of guidelines for making a case it most certainly will be abused.
Joakal 15y ago
Do you know how to frame things? You reminded me of Bruce Scheiner who advocated framing things. eg instead of Safety vs Privacy, state it's a matter of Control vs Liberty.
aw3c2 15y ago
problem a: it is called the pirate bay. problem b: it is called the pirate party. pirates are criminals. naming things like that and not expecting this to be huge problem is short-sighted and I would even say dumb. if your goal is to reform copyright law and citizen rights/protection then why not call your party freedom party or reform party or more rights for ordinary people party. "hi, my name is childharasser and I am your boy's new teacher."
- Joakal 15y ago
  There's a reason for saying 'Pirate' in Pirate Party name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_party#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_party#History Essentially, it has become a rallying symbol, created by the proprietors themselves.
- awakeasleep 15y ago
  I agree with you completely. Choosing the name "thepiratebay" was an immature move imo, and it doesn't pay proper creedence to the whole idea of stated rules and enforced rules. By that I mean that society expects one thing in name, and will often accept something else in practice. Like we know politicians often have affairs, but in public they profess to have the goal of a traditional marriage. If we saw a politician who had public affairs, we'd all wonder what dirty behavior they were hiding, assuming it's much worse than usual. If the site had a neutral name like "torrent search" we'd know they professed to be a neutral data sharing site, but the underbelly was piracy. If it starts out piracy, which is plainly illegal, we're left with much worse assumptions about what goes on behind the scenes.

Create 15y ago

http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/#Object http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/#Object

dhimes 15y ago

I really like this idea. How an issue is framed is crucial to the battle because this may eventually make it to the public. I am also bothered by the lack of proper due process afforded to these bastards. Don't tell anybody, but I am secretly a little sympathetic to the cause of protecting copyright. But that can be abused and without a strong set of guidelines for making a case it most certainly will be abused.

Joakal 15y ago

Do you know how to frame things? You reminded me of Bruce Scheiner who advocated framing things. eg instead of Safety vs Privacy, state it's a matter of Control vs Liberty.

aw3c2 15y ago

problem a: it is called the pirate bay. problem b: it is called the pirate party. pirates are criminals. naming things like that and not expecting this to be huge problem is short-sighted and I would even say dumb. if your goal is to reform copyright law and citizen rights/protection then why not call your party freedom party or reform party or more rights for ordinary people party. "hi, my name is childharasser and I am your boy's new teacher."

Joakal 15y ago
There's a reason for saying 'Pirate' in Pirate Party name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_party#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_party#History Essentially, it has become a rallying symbol, created by the proprietors themselves.
awakeasleep 15y ago
I agree with you completely. Choosing the name "thepiratebay" was an immature move imo, and it doesn't pay proper creedence to the whole idea of stated rules and enforced rules. By that I mean that society expects one thing in name, and will often accept something else in practice. Like we know politicians often have affairs, but in public they profess to have the goal of a traditional marriage. If we saw a politician who had public affairs, we'd all wonder what dirty behavior they were hiding, assuming it's much worse than usual. If the site had a neutral name like "torrent search" we'd know they professed to be a neutral data sharing site, but the underbelly was piracy. If it starts out piracy, which is plainly illegal, we're left with much worse assumptions about what goes on behind the scenes.