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194.71.107.15 I don't know if they're blocking it at the DNS level, or if there is some way of blocking the actual site. But that's the IP address. Why couldn'
by drcube 15y ago
194.71.107.15
I don't know if they're blocking it at the DNS level, or if there is some way of blocking the actual site. But that's the IP address. Why couldn't someone use any generic proxy to visit Pirate Bay?
I just don't see how governments can actually block websites, without confiscating their servers and/or forcing ISPs to monitor and block any attempt to get back online. As long as they've got a server and internet access, it seems to me like the government has failed.
- cnbeuiwx 15y agoWhich is exactly why the Internet is free. As long as nobody controls it, freedom will survive here.
- Joakal 15y agoTor relies on some country with Internet Freedom as an exit node. Having many countries with weak or no Internet will make Internet less than free. You need to take action!
- strictfp 15y agoIt is not entirely unplausible that the way forward for the courts will be to change tactics and make it illegal to visit the website instead of blocking it. At least it won't take long before they figure out that IP blocking is more efficient than DNS blocking. In any case it will only keep getting worse unless we make this a political struggle.
- Joakal 15y agoIt IS a political struggle. The court basically ordered a political party to obey and refused to hear their defence.
- rmc 15y agoI don't know if they're blocking it at the DNS level, or if there is some way of blocking the actual site. But that's the IP address. Why couldn't someone use any generic proxy to visit Pirate Bay? Some pirate bay censoring schemes do block it at the IP level (e.g. the scheme used by Eircom the largest ISP in Ireland). Just using the IP address doesn't work. Even pings are blocked. I just don't see how governments can actually block websites Courts can force companies (ISPs) to do something, and the details are up to to the companies. Since the Pirate Bay is hosted externally, all the ISPs have to do is block their IP addresses.
- cnbeuiwx 15y agoThankfully, the internet is a distributed network full of computers. You can block the road between the user and his destination, but all he needs is another computer to forward the traffic for him and the block is useless. The ISP's knows this but they simply comply with the law because they have to. Some ways to get around their silly blocks are: Proxy servers (tons of these...too many to list) VPN providers (https://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-anonymity-seriously-111007/ https://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-providers-really-take-ano...) Unix shell accounts with port forwarding (you need one simple command to set up port forwarding: ssh -L 8080:thepiratebay.org:80 your_shell_server.com) Seed boxes for downloading, sftp to grab the loot from them.
- rmc 15y agoYes, for you and me these are solutions. For the 99% of the internet population they cannot understand the words you've written, and cannot get around these filtering. So they'll still buy their CDs in the brick and mortar shop and the business model for the music & content industry will be unchanged, old fashioned and not disrupted. :(
- cnbeuiwx 15y agoWell, appearently the number of people understanding are such a threat to their existence that they have declared war on an entire generations of people. But you and me both know their actions are not to decrease piracy. However, its a perfect public reason, because the only way to gain control of the internet is to destroy the ability for people to be anonymous online. All humans using the web need to be monitored, just like in society. That is the intention behind all this. But of course we cant really talk about that...
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- aerique 15y agoTPB is also blocked by IP address in NL. The dutch pirate party had a specific proxy running which they were ordered to shut down so they're now running a generic proxy. If you're dutch and haven't donated to the "Piratenpartij" yet, please do so now if you think these issues are important: http://depiratenpartij.wordpress.com/lidworden/doneren/ http://depiratenpartij.wordpress.com/lidworden/doneren/ I'm saddened that wrt to the internet and censorship my supposedly progressive[1] country can now be added to the list of China, Iran and many other oppressive regimes. [1] it hasn't actually been that for quite a while now
- Joakal 15y agoI'm told that Pirate Parties have no policy on IP censorship because any competent IT person can get a new IP address. Welcome to joining UK and Australia as censorship countries. I'm fighting in Australia.
- eostyx 15y agoWe're all fighting in Australia. The problem is it's becoming akin to America in it's ability to ignore the general public and free speech. Even worse is that they're doing it behind closed doors so we can't do or say little against it. I'll just say it... America, Australia & UK have fallen completely to corporatism. We are no longer a democracy and haven't been for decades. It's only recently started to show it's glaring infections/swelling.
- Joakal 15y agoExactly, that's why domain names by itself can not be illegal whatsoever and should be afforded immunity beyond seller-buyer relationship, including against court seizures. Even trademarks that are meant to be narrow are now being used as a broad weapon to kill domain names. eg Nissan Seizing domain names only serve to create digital economic uncertainty, false sense of justice, let criminals still access content, etc. It is downright criminal for judges ordering ISPs to block access because it shows that judges are either aware that crime will still continue or too incompetent to see this.