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The news media loves using association and innuendo to hold people's hands through some emotional journey instead of just copying/linking the damn source materi

The news media loves using association and innuendo to hold people's hands through some emotional journey instead of just copying/linking the damn source material and letting people judge for themselves. This has resulted in some quite tenuous and libelous accusations on other occasions, but in this case the characterization is on point: https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299 https://nitter.net/elonmusk/status/1724908287471272299 @breakingbaht: "Okay. Jewish communties have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them. I'm deeply disinterested in giving the tiniest shit now about western Jewish populations coming to the disturbing realization that those hordes of minorities that support flooding their country don't exactly like them too much. You want truth said to your face, there it is." @elonmusk: "You have said the actual truth" There's nothing defensible about this. Someone writes an intellectually lazy not-even-wrong racist rant, and Musk jumps in with validation and encouragement. It does not matter that there also happens to be some reasonable nuanced criticism that rant can be said to encompass - the original is still an overly broad racist rant that should be condemned by anyone interested in reasoned truth.

VirusNewbie 3y ago
So it sounds like you think the ends justify the means, if the lie is benign enough, journalists should be encouraged to do so if for the right reasons? I wasn't defending the tweet, I was pointing out there's not a connection to the 'replacement theory'. It's bullshit. It's a fake connection.
- mindslight 3y ago
  I don't know how you got "the ends justify the means" from my comment. I basically said they're a broken clock, but on this occasion at least they aren't outright wrong. It doesn't seem like a "fake" connection to me, rather just an overly-prescriptive one implying there is some overarching "theory". "Trope" would be a much better term.
- catlover76 3y ago
  It's about as related to "replacement theory" as a Tweet calling out "the evils of the bourgeoisie" would be to Marxism. I am not sure if you genuinely believe otherwise or think the rest of us are stupid enough that we might entertain doubts about this just because you keep saying it's not the case. Like, I get that "replacement theory" and the related conspiracy theories that led to the Tree of Life Synagogue attack allege an active and ill-intentioned participation on the part of Jews in bringing in minorities, whereas the Tweet in question refers only to its authors perception that most Jews are liberal and woke, and is pointing out that many minorities in that camp are doing or saying things that many Jews interpret as bigoted towards them. But given its blanket assumption about the views of most Jews and is allegation that "Jewish communties have been pushing...dialectical hatred against whites" and its use of the language "hordes of minorities that support flooding their country", I don't see why we should split hairs and refuse to draw some very plausible inferences about this Tweet --namely, that "replacement theory" a) was on the author's mind as he wrote it; b) that he endorses that conspiracy theory; c) that he wrote it knowing that anyone who is familiar with that conspiracy theory would recognize it here. His Tweet is just "replacement theory" with a false mustache and glasses.
ReptileMan 3y ago
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tim333 3y ago
I found the statement Musk agrees with more weird than anything. I mean "jewish communities" have been pushing hatred against whites. For a start they are mostly white themselves, and which jewish communities? I know a few and none seem to preach that. Odd.
- mindslight 3y ago
  Consider yourself fortunate! I had a similar immediate reaction, but I'm half-aware that when pressed, the racism enthusiast community has all sorts of canon like "When 'doctor' so and so laid out the basic races Jewish people were distinct from Caucasians based on the shape of their skulls" and shit like that.

VirusNewbie 3y ago

So it sounds like you think the ends justify the means, if the lie is benign enough, journalists should be encouraged to do so if for the right reasons? I wasn't defending the tweet, I was pointing out there's not a connection to the 'replacement theory'. It's bullshit. It's a fake connection.

mindslight 3y ago
I don't know how you got "the ends justify the means" from my comment. I basically said they're a broken clock, but on this occasion at least they aren't outright wrong. It doesn't seem like a "fake" connection to me, rather just an overly-prescriptive one implying there is some overarching "theory". "Trope" would be a much better term.
catlover76 3y ago
It's about as related to "replacement theory" as a Tweet calling out "the evils of the bourgeoisie" would be to Marxism. I am not sure if you genuinely believe otherwise or think the rest of us are stupid enough that we might entertain doubts about this just because you keep saying it's not the case. Like, I get that "replacement theory" and the related conspiracy theories that led to the Tree of Life Synagogue attack allege an active and ill-intentioned participation on the part of Jews in bringing in minorities, whereas the Tweet in question refers only to its authors perception that most Jews are liberal and woke, and is pointing out that many minorities in that camp are doing or saying things that many Jews interpret as bigoted towards them. But given its blanket assumption about the views of most Jews and is allegation that "Jewish communties have been pushing...dialectical hatred against whites" and its use of the language "hordes of minorities that support flooding their country", I don't see why we should split hairs and refuse to draw some very plausible inferences about this Tweet --namely, that "replacement theory" a) was on the author's mind as he wrote it; b) that he endorses that conspiracy theory; c) that he wrote it knowing that anyone who is familiar with that conspiracy theory would recognize it here. His Tweet is just "replacement theory" with a false mustache and glasses.

ReptileMan 3y ago

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tim333 3y ago

I found the statement Musk agrees with more weird than anything. I mean "jewish communities" have been pushing hatred against whites. For a start they are mostly white themselves, and which jewish communities? I know a few and none seem to preach that. Odd.

mindslight 3y ago
Consider yourself fortunate! I had a similar immediate reaction, but I'm half-aware that when pressed, the racism enthusiast community has all sorts of canon like "When 'doctor' so and so laid out the basic races Jewish people were distinct from Caucasians based on the shape of their skulls" and shit like that.