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If your friends can't accept that you will ruthlessly lie, betray, abandon and/or backstab them in a game that is designed for just such actions, are they reall

by sspiff 3y ago

If your friends can't accept that you will ruthlessly lie, betray, abandon and/or backstab them in a game that is designed for just such actions, are they really good friends? I used to betray my friends and supply there enemies with weapons and research support in Civilization way back when. If you can't stand being lied to and betrayed, you shouldn't play strategy games with humans. Or this AI, probably.

_jal 3y ago
Some people, when faced with a demonstration that someone they care a lot about can successfully deceive them, develop trust issues. It is a thing that happens. I don't think it speaks to the depth of their feelings, it speaks more to how they develop trust.
- fragmede 3y ago
  Everyone lies. The underlying question is do you want to know that your friends can, will, and do lie to you, or do you want to live in ignorant bliss and believe they don't. Some people prefer the happy lie over the uncomfortable truth. Different strokes for different folks. Diplomacy is a great board game if you accept your friends are flawed ugly human beings, and you can love them anyway, same as you.
- scotty79 3y ago
  That's why I think pranks based on misleading a friend to believe something are the dumbest possible idea. If you are friend I'll assume you are saying the truth, but if I know you lied to me even once I'll have to assume that you might be lying to me every time you'll try to make me believe something. Exactly like I do with a stranger. Was the cheap laugh worth it?
sbarre 3y ago
> If your friends can't accept that you will ruthlessly lie, betray, abandon and/or backstab them in a game that is designed for just such actions, are they really good friends? Ehhh I think what OP means is that this game can surface known or unknown tensions between friends and colleagues. No friendship is bulletproof, odds are even your best friends annoy you sometimes. I saw two 'best' friends basically scuttle their friendship during a game of Diplomacy about 20 years ago, so I've seen this first hand. It turns out these lifelong friends had all manner of unresolved issues, that perhaps they could have worked through with intention, but a particularly ruthless game of Diplomacy brought it all out in an uncontrolled manner, and that was that. So yeah, people are complicated and messy, and I don't think the issue at hand is "being lied to and betrayed in a game".

by sspiff 3y ago

_jal 3y ago

Some people, when faced with a demonstration that someone they care a lot about can successfully deceive them, develop trust issues. It is a thing that happens. I don't think it speaks to the depth of their feelings, it speaks more to how they develop trust.

fragmede 3y ago
Everyone lies. The underlying question is do you want to know that your friends can, will, and do lie to you, or do you want to live in ignorant bliss and believe they don't. Some people prefer the happy lie over the uncomfortable truth. Different strokes for different folks. Diplomacy is a great board game if you accept your friends are flawed ugly human beings, and you can love them anyway, same as you.
scotty79 3y ago
That's why I think pranks based on misleading a friend to believe something are the dumbest possible idea. If you are friend I'll assume you are saying the truth, but if I know you lied to me even once I'll have to assume that you might be lying to me every time you'll try to make me believe something. Exactly like I do with a stranger. Was the cheap laugh worth it?

sbarre 3y ago

> If your friends can't accept that you will ruthlessly lie, betray, abandon and/or backstab them in a game that is designed for just such actions, are they really good friends? Ehhh I think what OP means is that this game can surface known or unknown tensions between friends and colleagues. No friendship is bulletproof, odds are even your best friends annoy you sometimes. I saw two 'best' friends basically scuttle their friendship during a game of Diplomacy about 20 years ago, so I've seen this first hand. It turns out these lifelong friends had all manner of unresolved issues, that perhaps they could have worked through with intention, but a particularly ruthless game of Diplomacy brought it all out in an uncontrolled manner, and that was that. So yeah, people are complicated and messy, and I don't think the issue at hand is "being lied to and betrayed in a game".