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You could, of course, just pay YouTube $14/mo for the ad-free version instead of complaining.

cocacola1 3y ago
That’s not even the last resort.
yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
Why should we pay for the experience we used to have for free? It would be an easy sell if google offered some benefit to paying, but making the experience worse and then offering to put it back as a premium option rubs me the wrong way.
- justrealist 3y ago
  Because you aren't entitled to anything. It's someone else's service they ran at a loss. Remind me to never invite you over for dinner. "Why should I have to split the check now? You paid for my dinner yesterday!" Jesus christ. Grow up. Be an adult.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    > It's someone else's service they ran at a loss. IANAL, but running a service at a loss until you have a monopoly position and then cranking up prices sounds illegal. > Remind me to never invite you over for dinner. "Why should I have to split the check now? You paid for my dinner yesterday!" I dunno; if for 18 years you give away free food, not to just to one person, but to an entire town, and then one day when nobody else is left selling food in town decide to start charging, I think it would be quite reasonable for people to be cross with you.
- _cenw 3y ago
  That it survived 15 years without a crackdown on adblockers is the real story here. Most VC-subsidized too cheap to be sustainable services don't last a year. The storage and bandwidth YouTube consumes must be extremely massive, and it probably only survived because Google made up for the loss in other places. Of course it has to pay someday, at latest when other revenue streams are drying up.
- charcircuit 3y ago
  because youtube being ad free is worth more than $12 a month to people who use it a lot
- tempestn 3y ago
  So they should just keep offering an ad-free, payment-free service at a loss forever? Or how should they make money?
- jsnell 3y ago
  It was never free without ads. YouTube started showing ads within the first year of its existence. You've just been blocking them. It's like you've been shoplifting groceries for years, and are now outraged that the shop hired a guard. "They let me shoplift for years just to drive the competing grocery stores out of business, and now they're abusing their monopoly by demanding payment".
realusername 3y ago
I'm okay to pay personally, just not 10x what Google would get if I was watching ad, I just want to cover the costs of the ads and nothing more.

That’s not even the last resort.

Why should we pay for the experience we used to have for free? It would be an easy sell if google offered some benefit to paying, but making the experience worse and then offering to put it back as a premium option rubs me the wrong way.

justrealist 3y ago
Because you aren't entitled to anything. It's someone else's service they ran at a loss. Remind me to never invite you over for dinner. "Why should I have to split the check now? You paid for my dinner yesterday!" Jesus christ. Grow up. Be an adult.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > It's someone else's service they ran at a loss. IANAL, but running a service at a loss until you have a monopoly position and then cranking up prices sounds illegal. > Remind me to never invite you over for dinner. "Why should I have to split the check now? You paid for my dinner yesterday!" I dunno; if for 18 years you give away free food, not to just to one person, but to an entire town, and then one day when nobody else is left selling food in town decide to start charging, I think it would be quite reasonable for people to be cross with you.
_cenw 3y ago
That it survived 15 years without a crackdown on adblockers is the real story here. Most VC-subsidized too cheap to be sustainable services don't last a year. The storage and bandwidth YouTube consumes must be extremely massive, and it probably only survived because Google made up for the loss in other places. Of course it has to pay someday, at latest when other revenue streams are drying up.
charcircuit 3y ago
because youtube being ad free is worth more than $12 a month to people who use it a lot
tempestn 3y ago
So they should just keep offering an ad-free, payment-free service at a loss forever? Or how should they make money?
jsnell 3y ago
It was never free without ads. YouTube started showing ads within the first year of its existence. You've just been blocking them. It's like you've been shoplifting groceries for years, and are now outraged that the shop hired a guard. "They let me shoplift for years just to drive the competing grocery stores out of business, and now they're abusing their monopoly by demanding payment".

realusername 3y ago

I'm okay to pay personally, just not 10x what Google would get if I was watching ad, I just want to cover the costs of the ads and nothing more.