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It's wild to me that there isn't more general pushback from ordinary consumers

libraryatnight 3y ago
Yeah I thought the system was supposed to be that businesses were incentivized to treat customers well or customers would stop buying their stuff and buy stuff from someone that treats them better. Seems just like we keep lining up for the abuse since there's not a lot of other options not doing the same nasty behavior, and what are we supposed to do - not buy TVs? What would we sit and stare at? ;)
- gleenn 3y ago
  I think people regularly trade quality for cheaper stuff. It's not exactly on the box that they have dark ui patterns too. It's also a moving target, they'll just creep the ads in until people start leaving
  - disposition2 3y ago
    > they'll just creep the ads in until people start leaving I think this is the crux of the issue, there are not really any alternatives, other than not having a new TV (as OP, who seems to have been downvoted for stating facts, highlighted). Even if one wanted to get a television just for OTA viewing, the increase in encryption for ATSC 3.0 makes it difficult to even get local news / broadcasting without having it connected to the internet. It’s kind of like wanting to buy a new car (atleast on my somewhat limited investigation in the US), you cannot buy a new car that only has the basic creature comforts of AC / Heating and a standard radio. You have to opt in to lane assistance and all kinds of technology…even for the most basic model of the cheapest possible vehicle…there isn’t another option other than buying an old used car. We often espouse the free market in the US but consumers are now beholden to whatever the companies wish to offer and there isn’t really an alternative if one wishes to buy a new product.
justapassenger 3y ago
Have you seen TV? Magazines? Newspapers? People are just used to overload with ads.
- Mountain_Skies 3y ago
  There was an experiment for a while of placing ads on the floor of supermarkets so shoppers would see them while walking through the store. I suspect it was maintenance issues/cost rather than customer complaints that caused them to go away. Any advertising delivery medium with a low enough cost will be exploited.
  - mcphage 3y ago
    It’s a parasite, or a disease, or a cancer.
mcphage 3y ago
It just slowly gets worse over time. If it was a big drop in quality, it might—but Amazon knows just the right speed to make things worse, to maximize how bad their services get while minimizing consumer complaints.
rchaud 3y ago
The ordinary consumers that bought Alexa listening devices in the millions?

Yeah I thought the system was supposed to be that businesses were incentivized to treat customers well or customers would stop buying their stuff and buy stuff from someone that treats them better. Seems just like we keep lining up for the abuse since there's not a lot of other options not doing the same nasty behavior, and what are we supposed to do - not buy TVs? What would we sit and stare at? ;)

gleenn 3y ago
I think people regularly trade quality for cheaper stuff. It's not exactly on the box that they have dark ui patterns too. It's also a moving target, they'll just creep the ads in until people start leaving
- disposition2 3y ago
  > they'll just creep the ads in until people start leaving I think this is the crux of the issue, there are not really any alternatives, other than not having a new TV (as OP, who seems to have been downvoted for stating facts, highlighted). Even if one wanted to get a television just for OTA viewing, the increase in encryption for ATSC 3.0 makes it difficult to even get local news / broadcasting without having it connected to the internet. It’s kind of like wanting to buy a new car (atleast on my somewhat limited investigation in the US), you cannot buy a new car that only has the basic creature comforts of AC / Heating and a standard radio. You have to opt in to lane assistance and all kinds of technology…even for the most basic model of the cheapest possible vehicle…there isn’t another option other than buying an old used car. We often espouse the free market in the US but consumers are now beholden to whatever the companies wish to offer and there isn’t really an alternative if one wishes to buy a new product.

justapassenger 3y ago

Have you seen TV? Magazines? Newspapers? People are just used to overload with ads.

Mountain_Skies 3y ago
There was an experiment for a while of placing ads on the floor of supermarkets so shoppers would see them while walking through the store. I suspect it was maintenance issues/cost rather than customer complaints that caused them to go away. Any advertising delivery medium with a low enough cost will be exploited.
- mcphage 3y ago
  It’s a parasite, or a disease, or a cancer.

mcphage 3y ago

It just slowly gets worse over time. If it was a big drop in quality, it might—but Amazon knows just the right speed to make things worse, to maximize how bad their services get while minimizing consumer complaints.

rchaud 3y ago

The ordinary consumers that bought Alexa listening devices in the millions?