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Most games people play are mobile games. Gatcha makes companies a disproportionately large amount of money so they produce more of them. Gatcha mechanics are

by graphe 3y ago

Most games people play are mobile games. Gatcha makes companies a disproportionately large amount of money so they produce more of them. Gatcha mechanics are in nearly every modern game. Most games people play are gatcha games. The most popular games now are cs:go and cs2 both gatcha games.

munk-a 3y ago
I think it's fair to distinguish gatcha for cosmetics from gatcha for game mechanics - the later is a far worse user experience than the former. But, otherwise, yea I think that's an extremely fair statement - a whole lot of games remain gatcha free but by player volume the vast majority of games incorporate some sort of gatcha (even if it's just cosmetic stuff).
- graphe 3y ago
  I disagree. They're both gatcha. CS may not be pay to win the way a gatcha added mechanism works but aesthetics matter and still are designed for extraction. Any gatcha in a game is designed to extract money. The purpose isn't how fun the game is with or without it, it's the fact that it's normalized in all games. It's an industry standard to have some sort of gambling with real world money for extraction and all gatcha games are used as a funnel for this extraction, therefore I don't see a reason to distinguish them. There isn't a 'fun first' gatcha game, since they're designed to make you buy at the core of their existence.
  - munk-a 3y ago
    I think it's good to distinguish them because there are games like Genshin Impact that have literally no accessible gameplay without constantly feeding money into the machine. I am also disappointed in the fact that Valve has started bundling in loot boxes for cosmetics - but games with cosmetic only gambling actually have a gameplay loop that's accessible and equal for everyone. Games that have gatcha centric gameplay are literally just clout games where you can waste money so that everyone knows how wealthy you are. Both are bad but one is far worse.
    - Ferret7446 3y ago
      I hate to have to post this here but > Genshin Impact that have literally no accessible gameplay without constantly feeding money into the machine is completely false. By even a conservative estimate 80% of the game can be played for free. In fact, you would be hard pressed to find a worse example to try to make your point.
    - graphe 3y ago
      Skins are more nefarious. They make you think it's ok, and you can still play a full game, only the full game isn't the game you wanted to play anymore, it's just a giant ad for the gatcha. You win to get gatcha. Gameplay just tells you to either pirate it, accept it or don't bother, it's much more honest.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    And yet people have a ton of fun playing them

by graphe 3y ago

munk-a 3y ago

I think it's fair to distinguish gatcha for cosmetics from gatcha for game mechanics - the later is a far worse user experience than the former. But, otherwise, yea I think that's an extremely fair statement - a whole lot of games remain gatcha free but by player volume the vast majority of games incorporate some sort of gatcha (even if it's just cosmetic stuff).

graphe 3y ago
I disagree. They're both gatcha. CS may not be pay to win the way a gatcha added mechanism works but aesthetics matter and still are designed for extraction. Any gatcha in a game is designed to extract money. The purpose isn't how fun the game is with or without it, it's the fact that it's normalized in all games. It's an industry standard to have some sort of gambling with real world money for extraction and all gatcha games are used as a funnel for this extraction, therefore I don't see a reason to distinguish them. There isn't a 'fun first' gatcha game, since they're designed to make you buy at the core of their existence.
- munk-a 3y ago
  I think it's good to distinguish them because there are games like Genshin Impact that have literally no accessible gameplay without constantly feeding money into the machine. I am also disappointed in the fact that Valve has started bundling in loot boxes for cosmetics - but games with cosmetic only gambling actually have a gameplay loop that's accessible and equal for everyone. Games that have gatcha centric gameplay are literally just clout games where you can waste money so that everyone knows how wealthy you are. Both are bad but one is far worse.
  - Ferret7446 3y ago
    I hate to have to post this here but > Genshin Impact that have literally no accessible gameplay without constantly feeding money into the machine is completely false. By even a conservative estimate 80% of the game can be played for free. In fact, you would be hard pressed to find a worse example to try to make your point.
  - graphe 3y ago
    Skins are more nefarious. They make you think it's ok, and you can still play a full game, only the full game isn't the game you wanted to play anymore, it's just a giant ad for the gatcha. You win to get gatcha. Gameplay just tells you to either pirate it, accept it or don't bother, it's much more honest.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  And yet people have a ton of fun playing them