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I am not saying those regions only have bad people. Lots of good people, just some bad apples. But in USA you usually get whole families and not a bunch of youn
by morbicer 3y ago
I am not saying those regions only have bad people. Lots of good people, just some bad apples.
But in USA you usually get whole families and not a bunch of young single men. That's one factor that de-risks the integration. The second factor is you get people that can afford plane ticket (likely more educated) and go through some form of border check.
I believe the vast majority of the Middle Eastern people in California are Persians. Again, that's a nationality that fares well in inclusion even in Europe.
I am all for immigration, we need it, we are an aging continent. But we should be a little bit more picky and cautious. And I am not saying we should not get any people from Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria or Horn of Africa, it's just often people coming from these countries have a risky mix of low education and culture that doesn't respect women or institutions.
And it's not islamophobia from me, that's why I specifically say culture, not religion. Persians are often muslims and fine, same for Indonesians or Turks.
Problem is we can't have meaningful and polite debate about it like I have with you - you get immediately labeled as racist or xenophobe. Thus the sad rise of far right groups in Europe.
On this note, I am sad that someone is downvoting/flagging you.
- bugglebeetle 3y agoI’m originally from the Midwest and we have large populations of people from Iraq, Syria, and the Horn of Africa, as well as Palestine, which is a more recent target of bigotry. Look up Minneapolis, Minnesota or Dearborn, Michigan. Overall, those people are more discriminated against there than they would be in California (because the overall culture is more racist against anyone who isn’t white), but still there are almost zero issues with them being integrated into American life. The vast, vast majority of people in the world just want to have peaceful lives where they feel respected and useful and I think Europe is especially bad at giving people from other countries (including from the poorer parts of the EU) that opportunity.
- hot_gril 3y agoDearborn is the most Arab-influenced place I've ever been by far. Nowhere in California is like that. Kinda funny considering the surroundings.
- bugglebeetle 3y agoIt definitely has a unique history, but Michiganders are proud to have it as a part of their state and love to visit for the food and culture! It’s mostly the west side of the state that has issues with bigotry (which unsurprisingly was settled by Dutch religious fanatics).
- hot_gril 3y agoYeah, it was fun to visit. Went to two Lebanese restaurants that were even better than my favorites near home in LA.
- hot_gril 3y agoI don't think the nation of origin matters a lot here, it's just that the USA is very far away and not as known for state welfare. Imagine what kind of person from any of these countries would go all the way to the US, especially an expensive place like California, instead of Europe. My family here is from the Mid East, they say the same thing. On top of that, we have freer speech/expression so things are less tense. Also, if you're suggesting the issue is sharia law or something similar, it's weird to list Iran as ok but Syria/Iraq as anti-woman etc. Other way around there.