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Uh huh. And what percent of the mail you send will be silently dropped by gmail (not even spam folder)? Sadly that game is lost.

compilator1 3y ago
None, if apropriate relays used. Mailchannels or mail.baby for example. The game is never lost if there is active gamers.
- beeboobaa 3y ago
  So you go through the effort of setting up your own mail server only to send all your outgoing email through a third party? Why even bother at that point?
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    There's value in running your own inbound server. Some of the big services will silently drop "spam" into the bitbucket. It's just gone. I've had this happen on Microsoft 365 accounts. By running your own server you can deal with spam as you see fit. I get very little so I deal with it using the "delete" function in my MUA.
  - kevincox 3y ago
    Personally I do it because most of the services I tried were dropping mail that I cared about. No amount of "whitelisting" with their provided tools would prevent this. Almost all big inbox providers perform a very early filtering step before even considering user rules and filters. But I don't want to bother with outbound reputation so I still use relays to send messages.
- ttul 3y ago
  You can use MailChannels for free via Cloudflare and there are no volume limits.
- duckmysick 3y ago
  How can I use relays with Mail-in-a-Box? I couldn't find anything on their install instructions.
upofadown 3y ago
Yes, sure, Gmail sucks. There is no sense in losing a lot of sleep over it.
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danbtl 3y ago
The game is certainly not lost. There are many of us running their own mail servers. Gmail will accept mail from your domain if you don't send spam. You should try it.
- dmitrygr 3y ago
  I have. that is why i say the game is lost.
  - zoky 3y ago
    Then either you didn’t configure your server correctly or you were trying to run a server on an IP address that’s part of a blacklisted netblock (e.g. residential). I’ve had a mail server in colo for over a decade, and I even recently had to change IP addresses on that server, and I’ve had zero deliverability issues. Set up SPF, DKIM, and reverse DNS, and obviously don’t do anything stupid like send spam or leave an open relay, and you should be fine.
    - drdaeman 3y ago
      > Then either you didn’t configure your server correctly or you were trying to run a server on an IP address that’s part of a blacklisted netblock (e.g. residential). This is frequently the case but not always. Sometimes you don't have any server issues, and originating IP is totally fine, but your messages are 250-accepted then somehow just disappear into the void without reaching the recipient mailbox (not even the "spam" folder). Fortunately, it's rare (in my experience), but super annoying when this happens, because with FAANGs there's absolutely no way to reach out for any technical support (unless you know someone who works there and they can help you).
      - dmitrygr 3y ago
        This is what killed me.
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  Gmail generally works fine. Outlook works too most of the time. "Outlook Enterprise" is a mess that refuses email for no good reason. Sometimes it's because Microsoft's DNS resolvers are broken (and can't validate SPF/DKIM), sometimes it's because the mail server rewrites message headers and then tries to validate the signature (which fails, obviously).
askiiart 3y ago
The game is far from lost. You need to be able to set PTR, which you can do by sending from a cheap VPS, otherwise basically everything will block you as spam. Other than that, it's not too exclusive, for lack of a better word.
kiney 3y ago
I been running my own mailserver for ~two decades. Never had much deliverability problems and none at all with google. Outlook sometimes is a problem but I always got it fixed. Nowadays I user docker-mailserver which is a bit more low level than mail in a box but much easier to setup than everything from scratch
- _cenw 3y ago
  Is that two decades on the same IP space?
- KronisLV 3y ago
  > Nowadays I user docker-mailserver which is a bit more low level than mail in a box but much easier to setup than everything from scratch Can second that this is some wonderful software, easy to get started with, nicely documented and works without any significant issues: https://docker-mailserver.github.io/docker-mailserver/latest/ https://docker-mailserver.github.io/docker-mailserver/latest...
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sgt 3y ago
Fearmongering.. I have been running my own mail server since 1999. No deliverability issues that I can recall.
dvko 3y ago
Have been running Mailinabox since 2018 on a €5 VPS. 0 issues with email deliverability. Or anything really. It just works.
cherryteastain 3y ago
I recently set up my mail server using docker-mailserver and I can send stuff to gmail and outlook no problem. Just have to follow instructions and set up DKIM, SPF and PTR records properly.
ajosh 3y ago
FWIW, I use MIAB and my e-mails aren't dropped regularly from what I can tell. Before this, I was using a mix of CPanel and gmail but for a variety of reasons, I wanted to take greater control of my e-mail. I signed up with a small VPS/hosting provider that offered a decent amount of storage space with their VMs. I don't send spam and have maintained the domain name for a lot of years. I checked the IP for blacklists before migrating the domain to it. I may have had to e-mail one blacklist provider about being removed but if I did, I don't remember it. Since MIAB sets up DKIM and SPF, your deliverability is pretty good out of the box. I don't send spam and so I think the IP's reputation has been getting better and better over the last few years. The truth is that for personal e-mail, the majority of messages are inbound and that's really not a problem.
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compilator1 3y ago

None, if apropriate relays used. Mailchannels or mail.baby for example. The game is never lost if there is active gamers.

beeboobaa 3y ago
So you go through the effort of setting up your own mail server only to send all your outgoing email through a third party? Why even bother at that point?
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  There's value in running your own inbound server. Some of the big services will silently drop "spam" into the bitbucket. It's just gone. I've had this happen on Microsoft 365 accounts. By running your own server you can deal with spam as you see fit. I get very little so I deal with it using the "delete" function in my MUA.
- kevincox 3y ago
  Personally I do it because most of the services I tried were dropping mail that I cared about. No amount of "whitelisting" with their provided tools would prevent this. Almost all big inbox providers perform a very early filtering step before even considering user rules and filters. But I don't want to bother with outbound reputation so I still use relays to send messages.
ttul 3y ago
You can use MailChannels for free via Cloudflare and there are no volume limits.
duckmysick 3y ago
How can I use relays with Mail-in-a-Box? I couldn't find anything on their install instructions.

upofadown 3y ago

Yes, sure, Gmail sucks. There is no sense in losing a lot of sleep over it.

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danbtl 3y ago

The game is certainly not lost. There are many of us running their own mail servers. Gmail will accept mail from your domain if you don't send spam. You should try it.

dmitrygr 3y ago
I have. that is why i say the game is lost.
- zoky 3y ago
  Then either you didn’t configure your server correctly or you were trying to run a server on an IP address that’s part of a blacklisted netblock (e.g. residential). I’ve had a mail server in colo for over a decade, and I even recently had to change IP addresses on that server, and I’ve had zero deliverability issues. Set up SPF, DKIM, and reverse DNS, and obviously don’t do anything stupid like send spam or leave an open relay, and you should be fine.
  - drdaeman 3y ago
    > Then either you didn’t configure your server correctly or you were trying to run a server on an IP address that’s part of a blacklisted netblock (e.g. residential). This is frequently the case but not always. Sometimes you don't have any server issues, and originating IP is totally fine, but your messages are 250-accepted then somehow just disappear into the void without reaching the recipient mailbox (not even the "spam" folder). Fortunately, it's rare (in my experience), but super annoying when this happens, because with FAANGs there's absolutely no way to reach out for any technical support (unless you know someone who works there and they can help you).
    - dmitrygr 3y ago
      This is what killed me.
jeroenhd 3y ago
Gmail generally works fine. Outlook works too most of the time. "Outlook Enterprise" is a mess that refuses email for no good reason. Sometimes it's because Microsoft's DNS resolvers are broken (and can't validate SPF/DKIM), sometimes it's because the mail server rewrites message headers and then tries to validate the signature (which fails, obviously).

askiiart 3y ago

The game is far from lost. You need to be able to set PTR, which you can do by sending from a cheap VPS, otherwise basically everything will block you as spam. Other than that, it's not too exclusive, for lack of a better word.

kiney 3y ago

I been running my own mailserver for ~two decades. Never had much deliverability problems and none at all with google. Outlook sometimes is a problem but I always got it fixed. Nowadays I user docker-mailserver which is a bit more low level than mail in a box but much easier to setup than everything from scratch

_cenw 3y ago
Is that two decades on the same IP space?
KronisLV 3y ago
> Nowadays I user docker-mailserver which is a bit more low level than mail in a box but much easier to setup than everything from scratch Can second that this is some wonderful software, easy to get started with, nicely documented and works without any significant issues: https://docker-mailserver.github.io/docker-mailserver/latest/ https://docker-mailserver.github.io/docker-mailserver/latest...

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sgt 3y ago

Fearmongering.. I have been running my own mail server since 1999. No deliverability issues that I can recall.

dvko 3y ago

Have been running Mailinabox since 2018 on a €5 VPS. 0 issues with email deliverability. Or anything really. It just works.

cherryteastain 3y ago

I recently set up my mail server using docker-mailserver and I can send stuff to gmail and outlook no problem. Just have to follow instructions and set up DKIM, SPF and PTR records properly.

ajosh 3y ago

FWIW, I use MIAB and my e-mails aren't dropped regularly from what I can tell. Before this, I was using a mix of CPanel and gmail but for a variety of reasons, I wanted to take greater control of my e-mail. I signed up with a small VPS/hosting provider that offered a decent amount of storage space with their VMs. I don't send spam and have maintained the domain name for a lot of years. I checked the IP for blacklists before migrating the domain to it. I may have had to e-mail one blacklist provider about being removed but if I did, I don't remember it. Since MIAB sets up DKIM and SPF, your deliverability is pretty good out of the box. I don't send spam and so I think the IP's reputation has been getting better and better over the last few years. The truth is that for personal e-mail, the majority of messages are inbound and that's really not a problem.

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