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Your 101 year old father was out shooting on an Ursa 12K? What a guy.

by dbspin 3y ago

xattt 3y ago
The frail elderly are a very prominent group in society because their needs are so great. Robust “old-old” adults tend to blend in because they are inconspicuous and they go on about their business. I think we’re going to see a “silver tsunami” of robust elderly persons as millennials and Gen Xers age simply because healthy lifestyle activities that had been a part of their lives. I.e. don’t buy into Acorn Stairlift and Lifealert futures.
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- FirmwareBurner 3y ago
  > robust elderly persons as millennials and Gen Xers age simply because healthy lifestyle activities that had been a part of their lives. You're probably leaving out the issues around teflon, microplastics and antibiotics poisoning all food, air and water, general increased stress and anxiety about the wars, economy, job market, environment, debt and unaffordable rent/housing, the loneliness epidemic plaguing the west, which have already tanked their/our sperm count so we can't be too sure they'll/we'll see much healthier retirements if these keep piling up. Those with solid careers in tech in developed countries yeah sure, they'll be fine and happy, most likely retired early, house and debt paid off and focused on enjoying their hobbies instead of working the 9-5 grind. The rest, not so much.
  - graphe 3y ago
    Just because you're old doesn't mean you're rich. China and HK has old ladies working out on the streets.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      That was kind of my point. If you wanna enjoy your old age you also need to be somewhat wealthy or at least financially very table. The old people working in the streets till they drop in China and Korea do it because they have no wealth to rest on, not because they enjoy doing that kind of work so much. It's doable to be young and poor, but being old and poor sucks.
      - graphe 3y ago
        He said robust old people. The Chinese old ladies are robust and impoverished.
  - data-ottawa 3y ago
    This 101 year old lived through a world war with rationing, would have been born into the great depression, saw the rise and fall of Nazi Germany, the Cold War and Cuban Missile Crisis, the Kennedy Assassination, the Nixon years, the oil crises and recessions, Gulf wars, 9/11... On the healthcare front there was the proliferation of lead (in paint, toys, fuel, everything), smog from cars and coal burning, toxic fertilizers, the rise and fall of smoking, the discovery of HIV, Polio outbreaks, things like the Cuyahoga river fire (where rivers were so polluted they literally caught fire every couple decades). The mining town my family lived in would just throw the arsenic and mine tailings into the lakes because they figured it couldn't hurt them there, and that was a common thing to do at that time. Gen X and Millennials are not the only generations who have faced adversity. It's a rough moment now for sure, but it's not unique. We shouldn't fall into baseless optimism but also don't shouldn't neglect human strength and creativity. We have new problems, and we have new tools.
    - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
      >This 101 year old lived through a world war with rationing, would have been born into the great depression, saw the rise and fall of Nazi Germany, the Cold War and Cuban Missile Crisis, the Kennedy Assassination, the Nixon years, the oil crises and recessions, Gulf wars, 9/11... Sure, not stealing his thunder, but that's how selection bias works. Not everyone got to live to 101 despite maybe even living healthier lives. I know people in their 40's who already died of cancer. Life can always throw you a curb ball. >Gen X and Millennials are not the only generations who have faced adversity. Fair point.
      - data-ottawa 3y ago
        Living to 101 is definitely not representative. My point really was that second one. As I said, it's a rough time right now, we're going through a lot. But we passed environmental reforms before, we removed lead from gas, we invented vaccines, we set standards for chemicals, we've cured a few people of HIV, there is good to find out there.
        3y ago
- macNchz 3y ago
  > I think we’re going to see a “silver tsunami” of robust elderly persons as millennials and Gen Xers age simply because healthy lifestyle activities that had been a part of their lives. > I.e. don’t buy into Acorn Stairlift and Lifealert futures. Trends in obesity–which is a huge driver of poor health in America–don't seem to support this hypothesis. I think the great majority of health and wellness activity in recent years has been concentrated among people at the upper end of the socioeconomic scale, which also drives perception since companies will spend a lot on advertising to attract people with money. Things in this country look very different depending on how far you are from the nearest Whole Foods/Equinox/Soulcycle/Sweetgreen.
  - kridsdale3 3y ago
    As soon as Semaglutide et all become generic, obesity will be completely over, worldwide. It will be looked at as an awful period in history like Opium dens are now.
    - JetSpiegel 3y ago
      Better wait at the very least 20 years for the patents to expire, so I would bet good money on 50 years. It's not a silver bullet anyway, but "become generic" is doing some extremely heavy lifting.
      - kridsdale3 3y ago
        We can expect countries that don't give a damn about patents and IP will mass produce this and flood the global market to the same degree they have for boner-pills.

Your 101 year old father was out shooting on an Ursa 12K? What a guy.

by dbspin 3y ago

Your 101 year old father was out shooting on an Ursa 12K? What a guy.

The frail elderly are a very prominent group in society because their needs are so great. Robust “old-old” adults tend to blend in because they are inconspicuous and they go on about their business. I think we’re going to see a “silver tsunami” of robust elderly persons as millennials and Gen Xers age simply because healthy lifestyle activities that had been a part of their lives. I.e. don’t buy into Acorn Stairlift and Lifealert futures.

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FirmwareBurner 3y ago
> robust elderly persons as millennials and Gen Xers age simply because healthy lifestyle activities that had been a part of their lives. You're probably leaving out the issues around teflon, microplastics and antibiotics poisoning all food, air and water, general increased stress and anxiety about the wars, economy, job market, environment, debt and unaffordable rent/housing, the loneliness epidemic plaguing the west, which have already tanked their/our sperm count so we can't be too sure they'll/we'll see much healthier retirements if these keep piling up. Those with solid careers in tech in developed countries yeah sure, they'll be fine and happy, most likely retired early, house and debt paid off and focused on enjoying their hobbies instead of working the 9-5 grind. The rest, not so much.
- graphe 3y ago
  Just because you're old doesn't mean you're rich. China and HK has old ladies working out on the streets.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    That was kind of my point. If you wanna enjoy your old age you also need to be somewhat wealthy or at least financially very table. The old people working in the streets till they drop in China and Korea do it because they have no wealth to rest on, not because they enjoy doing that kind of work so much. It's doable to be young and poor, but being old and poor sucks.
    - graphe 3y ago
      He said robust old people. The Chinese old ladies are robust and impoverished.
- data-ottawa 3y ago
  This 101 year old lived through a world war with rationing, would have been born into the great depression, saw the rise and fall of Nazi Germany, the Cold War and Cuban Missile Crisis, the Kennedy Assassination, the Nixon years, the oil crises and recessions, Gulf wars, 9/11... On the healthcare front there was the proliferation of lead (in paint, toys, fuel, everything), smog from cars and coal burning, toxic fertilizers, the rise and fall of smoking, the discovery of HIV, Polio outbreaks, things like the Cuyahoga river fire (where rivers were so polluted they literally caught fire every couple decades). The mining town my family lived in would just throw the arsenic and mine tailings into the lakes because they figured it couldn't hurt them there, and that was a common thing to do at that time. Gen X and Millennials are not the only generations who have faced adversity. It's a rough moment now for sure, but it's not unique. We shouldn't fall into baseless optimism but also don't shouldn't neglect human strength and creativity. We have new problems, and we have new tools.
  - FirmwareBurner 3y ago
    >This 101 year old lived through a world war with rationing, would have been born into the great depression, saw the rise and fall of Nazi Germany, the Cold War and Cuban Missile Crisis, the Kennedy Assassination, the Nixon years, the oil crises and recessions, Gulf wars, 9/11... Sure, not stealing his thunder, but that's how selection bias works. Not everyone got to live to 101 despite maybe even living healthier lives. I know people in their 40's who already died of cancer. Life can always throw you a curb ball. >Gen X and Millennials are not the only generations who have faced adversity. Fair point.
    - data-ottawa 3y ago
      Living to 101 is definitely not representative. My point really was that second one. As I said, it's a rough time right now, we're going through a lot. But we passed environmental reforms before, we removed lead from gas, we invented vaccines, we set standards for chemicals, we've cured a few people of HIV, there is good to find out there.
      - 3y ago
macNchz 3y ago
> I think we’re going to see a “silver tsunami” of robust elderly persons as millennials and Gen Xers age simply because healthy lifestyle activities that had been a part of their lives. > I.e. don’t buy into Acorn Stairlift and Lifealert futures. Trends in obesity–which is a huge driver of poor health in America–don't seem to support this hypothesis. I think the great majority of health and wellness activity in recent years has been concentrated among people at the upper end of the socioeconomic scale, which also drives perception since companies will spend a lot on advertising to attract people with money. Things in this country look very different depending on how far you are from the nearest Whole Foods/Equinox/Soulcycle/Sweetgreen.
- kridsdale3 3y ago
  As soon as Semaglutide et all become generic, obesity will be completely over, worldwide. It will be looked at as an awful period in history like Opium dens are now.
  - JetSpiegel 3y ago
    Better wait at the very least 20 years for the patents to expire, so I would bet good money on 50 years. It's not a silver bullet anyway, but "become generic" is doing some extremely heavy lifting.
    - kridsdale3 3y ago
      We can expect countries that don't give a damn about patents and IP will mass produce this and flood the global market to the same degree they have for boner-pills.