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and the newest games keep getting worse and worse. barely playable junk and people still buy it like crazy, sad

asylteltine 3y ago
I totally agree. Pokémon should have stayed 2d same with Zelda. Crystal was the epitome of Pokémon but emerald was also pretty good.
- herunan 3y ago
  I think it’s a matter of execution, not format.
- insanitybit 3y ago
  I quite liked the 3D concept, it was pretty awesome. What I don't like is the shitty graphics and limited content.
- kubik369 3y ago
  Why do you think that Zelda should have stayed 2D? Some Zelda games, such as OoT, Majora's Mask and BotW to name a few, are considered to be some of the very best games ever made.
  - lotsoweiners 3y ago
    I’ve played every Zelda game and I’d rather replay A Link to the Past than any of ones you mentioned.
    - Shared404 3y ago
      I've played every 3d zelda (most of them more than a decade after release and several playthroughs), and bounce off the 2d games every time I try. Both are good, but I don't think either is capital B Better.
      - lotsoweiners 3y ago
        To some extent it probably depends on where you started with the games. I was about 6 or 7 when the original The Legend of Zelda came out. I had well over a decade of playing Zelda games before OOT came out, I was in college at the time. If I had been a kid when OOT came out then that, or one of the other 3D games, might have been my favorite.
  - asylteltine 3y ago
    I could never get into those. All the 3d Zelda games are not Zelda they are something else. Not saying they are bad, but they aren’t really Zelda.
- dagmx 3y ago
  The most memorable Zelda games are 3D though. Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask, Wind Waker, Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom, Twilight Princess etc… I think if you asked most Zelda fans to list their top 5, you’d get a majority 3D representation
efdee 3y ago
Pokemon Arceus was very nice, actually. I agree with all the games coming out in the "classic" line of Pokemon though.
- thowaway91234 3y ago
  The game was such a technical mess I couldn't get passed it, even though I thought the new gameplay was decent.
- firebirdn99 3y ago
  Agreed, I enjoyed it throughly. Even with poor graphics, was a lot of fun! The new mechanisms are great innovations for future games
- filoleg 3y ago
  One of the very few games in the past decade, which I can refer to as “actually got significantly held back by technical limitations of the host platform”. Same with Pokémon Scarlet/Violet and Shin Megami Tensei 5. I am not picky in terms of graphical fidelity or anything like that, very happy to play older games, even those that don’t run that well. But I had to straight up step away from SMT5, despite how much i was excited for the game, because it felt like I was controlling a blob of pixels at under 30fps most of the time. While pokémon games i mentioned above had slightly more stable performance, Arceus was the most lifeless and depressing open world i’ve seen in a very long time. Which is such a shame, because you could obviously see the devs tryng to evolve the pokémon formula in an exciting new direction, only for it all to be squandered and met with criticism due to not necessarily the fault of the devs, but the host platform. And that’s why I am upset about Switch being so weak. Would gladly play more games on it, but it is extremely unappealing when even a lot of the top tier AAA exclusives look awful (exceptions apply, e.g., zelda games), have lifeless worlds, and cannot even run at stable 30fps. I am not asking for PS5 tier graphics or anything like that. I am even willing to grind my teeth and forego 60fps. But ffs make it at least a stable 30 and let the world of a game (Pokémon) that is supposed to be full of “wildlife” and nature not look like it was annihilated in a nuclear strike the day prior to the events of the game taking place. At this point, i would only count first party mario-universe type of games to be not held back by anything (and maybe Zelda, but you can obviously see how the devs had to push it to the max of what’s even technically possible with it). And that’s pretty much how Switch ended up just as a “mario- and party- game machine” for me.
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umvi 3y ago
I was surprised with how little the Pokemon formula has changed over the past 20 years. Despite all the advances in graphics and such the core gameplay loop is still catch Pokemon and play rock paper scissors in a turn based battle system. Any new mechanics like mega evolutions seem to be just gimmicks that don't carry forward to the next gen.
- treve 3y ago
  Frankly the graphics are also kinda garbage and uninspired. They've been getting away with putting out crap for years. Kind of a shame.
- I_Am_Nous 3y ago
  To be fair, the rock/paper/scissors battle loop has 16 (17? Fairy type?) different types with many combinations to build a strategy on. This is why platforms like Pokémon Showdown exist, the "catch and train and breed and battle" loop is too tedious for my adult self. I appreciate the battle system but the mainline games themselves were primarily designed for a younger audience.
  - SpaceManNabs 3y ago
    > too tedious for my adult self What? You don't want to breed 100 pokemon in the same lineage to get one with the perfect (hidden) EV/IV stats, attitude, and moves? How lazy!!! At least do it for 8 pokemon so you have one good team!!!! Get off your ass mate. /s Yeah I can't believe they thought this was a good idea lol. Glad they are making the system easier. But way too japanese games have grinding mechanics just for gear.
    - I_Am_Nous 3y ago
      Agreed, I feel like it's a hold over from when games were shorter and they had to add tedium to artificially lengthen the game, and since people were used to it they just never removed the tedium.
    - debugnik 3y ago
okkdev 3y ago
Besides the technical problems, I had a lot of fun with violet. I really like the game, which makes the missing polish even sadder. Though I haven't bought a new Nintendo game in years. I only buy used, because I don't want to directly support these development cycles.
kaba0 3y ago
What I just can’t understand is why pokemon go is not made into a full-blown game? Like, it literally could be the most popular game ever, if only they would take the logic out of one of the nintendo games, and implemented it for pokemon go. It is popular enough as is, but it would literally be a killer combo, and they already have all the logic/datatables/animations/license in place. It might hurt the sales of nintendo hardware, but you would target at least an order of magnitude more customers with it. Add some pay-to-win elements (e.g. full restore could also be bought with real money), but also make them drop, but rarely in the game and you will have insane profits. But to just throw balls at pokemons, is just a disgrace to the very well made original games.
- dagmx 3y ago
  Perhaps you missed Pokémon Let’s Go (Pikachu/Eevee) on the switch which was Pokémon Yellow with Pokémon Go style gameplay
  - lotsoweiners 3y ago
    But Pokémon Let’s Go doesn’t have the real world component that Pokémon Go has. I think that is what the parent was talking about.
- morelikeborelax 3y ago
  Too much control and influence for an American company I expect. Japanese companies have some behaviour that may seem odd, naive or lacking the best of capitalism, but they are what they are. Nintendo regularly get this sort of criticism. The game is also a data collection tool for Niantic, rather that to be a great game. Someone would have to give up control to change it all.
- numpad0 3y ago
  > Like, it literally could be the most popular game ever, The most popular game ever for next 25 years? They have been making and remaking the same game(1996) ad infinitum for longer than Google(1998) existed. They are not going to need that kind of a quick exit path.
firebirdn99 3y ago
I honestly enjoyed Pokemon Arceus. It has a 3D open world game and there is a fun mechanism of throwing the Pokeball. I think they found a great formula for future games. The graphics are somewhat disappointing at times, but it's so fun. Hopefully future versions of the Switch will be more powerful to play 3D open world games.
hot_gril 3y ago
It's a kids' game.
- thowaway91234 3y ago
  Super Mario is also a kids game and those games run flawlessly with nice graphics and innovative gameplay. Kids like to play good games too.
  - hot_gril 3y ago
    Evidently they also play bad games. Idk why it matters.

I totally agree. Pokémon should have stayed 2d same with Zelda. Crystal was the epitome of Pokémon but emerald was also pretty good.

herunan 3y ago
I think it’s a matter of execution, not format.
insanitybit 3y ago
I quite liked the 3D concept, it was pretty awesome. What I don't like is the shitty graphics and limited content.
kubik369 3y ago
Why do you think that Zelda should have stayed 2D? Some Zelda games, such as OoT, Majora's Mask and BotW to name a few, are considered to be some of the very best games ever made.
- lotsoweiners 3y ago
  I’ve played every Zelda game and I’d rather replay A Link to the Past than any of ones you mentioned.
  - Shared404 3y ago
    I've played every 3d zelda (most of them more than a decade after release and several playthroughs), and bounce off the 2d games every time I try. Both are good, but I don't think either is capital B Better.
    - lotsoweiners 3y ago
      To some extent it probably depends on where you started with the games. I was about 6 or 7 when the original The Legend of Zelda came out. I had well over a decade of playing Zelda games before OOT came out, I was in college at the time. If I had been a kid when OOT came out then that, or one of the other 3D games, might have been my favorite.
- asylteltine 3y ago
  I could never get into those. All the 3d Zelda games are not Zelda they are something else. Not saying they are bad, but they aren’t really Zelda.
dagmx 3y ago
The most memorable Zelda games are 3D though. Ocarina of Time, Majoras Mask, Wind Waker, Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom, Twilight Princess etc… I think if you asked most Zelda fans to list their top 5, you’d get a majority 3D representation

efdee 3y ago

Pokemon Arceus was very nice, actually. I agree with all the games coming out in the "classic" line of Pokemon though.

thowaway91234 3y ago
The game was such a technical mess I couldn't get passed it, even though I thought the new gameplay was decent.
firebirdn99 3y ago
Agreed, I enjoyed it throughly. Even with poor graphics, was a lot of fun! The new mechanisms are great innovations for future games
filoleg 3y ago
One of the very few games in the past decade, which I can refer to as “actually got significantly held back by technical limitations of the host platform”. Same with Pokémon Scarlet/Violet and Shin Megami Tensei 5. I am not picky in terms of graphical fidelity or anything like that, very happy to play older games, even those that don’t run that well. But I had to straight up step away from SMT5, despite how much i was excited for the game, because it felt like I was controlling a blob of pixels at under 30fps most of the time. While pokémon games i mentioned above had slightly more stable performance, Arceus was the most lifeless and depressing open world i’ve seen in a very long time. Which is such a shame, because you could obviously see the devs tryng to evolve the pokémon formula in an exciting new direction, only for it all to be squandered and met with criticism due to not necessarily the fault of the devs, but the host platform. And that’s why I am upset about Switch being so weak. Would gladly play more games on it, but it is extremely unappealing when even a lot of the top tier AAA exclusives look awful (exceptions apply, e.g., zelda games), have lifeless worlds, and cannot even run at stable 30fps. I am not asking for PS5 tier graphics or anything like that. I am even willing to grind my teeth and forego 60fps. But ffs make it at least a stable 30 and let the world of a game (Pokémon) that is supposed to be full of “wildlife” and nature not look like it was annihilated in a nuclear strike the day prior to the events of the game taking place. At this point, i would only count first party mario-universe type of games to be not held back by anything (and maybe Zelda, but you can obviously see how the devs had to push it to the max of what’s even technically possible with it). And that’s pretty much how Switch ended up just as a “mario- and party- game machine” for me.

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umvi 3y ago

I was surprised with how little the Pokemon formula has changed over the past 20 years. Despite all the advances in graphics and such the core gameplay loop is still catch Pokemon and play rock paper scissors in a turn based battle system. Any new mechanics like mega evolutions seem to be just gimmicks that don't carry forward to the next gen.

treve 3y ago
Frankly the graphics are also kinda garbage and uninspired. They've been getting away with putting out crap for years. Kind of a shame.
I_Am_Nous 3y ago
To be fair, the rock/paper/scissors battle loop has 16 (17? Fairy type?) different types with many combinations to build a strategy on. This is why platforms like Pokémon Showdown exist, the "catch and train and breed and battle" loop is too tedious for my adult self. I appreciate the battle system but the mainline games themselves were primarily designed for a younger audience.
- SpaceManNabs 3y ago
  > too tedious for my adult self What? You don't want to breed 100 pokemon in the same lineage to get one with the perfect (hidden) EV/IV stats, attitude, and moves? How lazy!!! At least do it for 8 pokemon so you have one good team!!!! Get off your ass mate. /s Yeah I can't believe they thought this was a good idea lol. Glad they are making the system easier. But way too japanese games have grinding mechanics just for gear.
  - I_Am_Nous 3y ago
    Agreed, I feel like it's a hold over from when games were shorter and they had to add tedium to artificially lengthen the game, and since people were used to it they just never removed the tedium.
  - debugnik 3y ago

okkdev 3y ago

Besides the technical problems, I had a lot of fun with violet. I really like the game, which makes the missing polish even sadder. Though I haven't bought a new Nintendo game in years. I only buy used, because I don't want to directly support these development cycles.

kaba0 3y ago

What I just can’t understand is why pokemon go is not made into a full-blown game? Like, it literally could be the most popular game ever, if only they would take the logic out of one of the nintendo games, and implemented it for pokemon go. It is popular enough as is, but it would literally be a killer combo, and they already have all the logic/datatables/animations/license in place. It might hurt the sales of nintendo hardware, but you would target at least an order of magnitude more customers with it. Add some pay-to-win elements (e.g. full restore could also be bought with real money), but also make them drop, but rarely in the game and you will have insane profits. But to just throw balls at pokemons, is just a disgrace to the very well made original games.

dagmx 3y ago
Perhaps you missed Pokémon Let’s Go (Pikachu/Eevee) on the switch which was Pokémon Yellow with Pokémon Go style gameplay
- lotsoweiners 3y ago
  But Pokémon Let’s Go doesn’t have the real world component that Pokémon Go has. I think that is what the parent was talking about.
morelikeborelax 3y ago
Too much control and influence for an American company I expect. Japanese companies have some behaviour that may seem odd, naive or lacking the best of capitalism, but they are what they are. Nintendo regularly get this sort of criticism. The game is also a data collection tool for Niantic, rather that to be a great game. Someone would have to give up control to change it all.
numpad0 3y ago
> Like, it literally could be the most popular game ever, The most popular game ever for next 25 years? They have been making and remaking the same game(1996) ad infinitum for longer than Google(1998) existed. They are not going to need that kind of a quick exit path.

firebirdn99 3y ago

I honestly enjoyed Pokemon Arceus. It has a 3D open world game and there is a fun mechanism of throwing the Pokeball. I think they found a great formula for future games. The graphics are somewhat disappointing at times, but it's so fun. Hopefully future versions of the Switch will be more powerful to play 3D open world games.

hot_gril 3y ago

It's a kids' game.

thowaway91234 3y ago
Super Mario is also a kids game and those games run flawlessly with nice graphics and innovative gameplay. Kids like to play good games too.
- hot_gril 3y ago
  Evidently they also play bad games. Idk why it matters.