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So close to discovering that it applies to work in general. Sex work is just work.

by brohee 3y ago

i_mean_why_not 3y ago
And so rape is just theft?
- Manuel_D 3y ago
  No. If I don't pay my plumber after a job, it's theft (or breach of contract, or something along those lines). If snatch someone off the street, drag them into my condo, and force them to fix my toilet at gunpoint this is kidnapping and forced labor - something I'm going to guess has a much bigger penalty than breach of contract. Rape is analogous to the latter, not the former.
  - lucubratory 3y ago
    It's moderately funny, in an unpleasant way, that you had to invent a scenario that almost never happens to plumbers and does regularly happen to women in the sex trade as part of your argument that the sex trade isn't analogous to rape.
    - brohee 3y ago
      Almost never? Forced sex work is an important part but not the majority of forced labour. https://www.ilo.org/global/topics/forced-labour/lang--en/index.htm https://www.ilo.org/global/topics/forced-labour/lang--en/ind...
      - lucubratory 3y ago
        I'm not denying the existence of forced labour, it's horrific. I'm saying plumbing is a very contrived example of it, compared to things like the sex trade, construction, or mining.
lucubratory 3y ago
"So close"? Where do you think my understanding of labour comes from and why on Earth would you assume I don't apply the same analysis to other work? As a society we acknowledge that sex crimes are worse compared to other crimes that are physically similar. "Rape is just assault" and "sexual assault is just assault" makes no sense even if it's technically true in some particular definitions you have, there is a reason we use a different word to describe crimes that include a sexual component, because we recognise sexual crimes as particularly heinous and degrading. Similarly, all labour is coerced but we recognise that coercing someone into filling out an Excel spreadsheet, while wrong, is not especially heinous in the way that coercing someone into sex is.

So close to discovering that it applies to work in general. Sex work is just work.

by brohee 3y ago

So close to discovering that it applies to work in general. Sex work is just work.

i_mean_why_not 3y ago

And so rape is just theft?

Manuel_D 3y ago
No. If I don't pay my plumber after a job, it's theft (or breach of contract, or something along those lines). If snatch someone off the street, drag them into my condo, and force them to fix my toilet at gunpoint this is kidnapping and forced labor - something I'm going to guess has a much bigger penalty than breach of contract. Rape is analogous to the latter, not the former.
- lucubratory 3y ago
  It's moderately funny, in an unpleasant way, that you had to invent a scenario that almost never happens to plumbers and does regularly happen to women in the sex trade as part of your argument that the sex trade isn't analogous to rape.
  - brohee 3y ago
    Almost never? Forced sex work is an important part but not the majority of forced labour. https://www.ilo.org/global/topics/forced-labour/lang--en/index.htm https://www.ilo.org/global/topics/forced-labour/lang--en/ind...
    - lucubratory 3y ago
      I'm not denying the existence of forced labour, it's horrific. I'm saying plumbing is a very contrived example of it, compared to things like the sex trade, construction, or mining.

lucubratory 3y ago

"So close"? Where do you think my understanding of labour comes from and why on Earth would you assume I don't apply the same analysis to other work? As a society we acknowledge that sex crimes are worse compared to other crimes that are physically similar. "Rape is just assault" and "sexual assault is just assault" makes no sense even if it's technically true in some particular definitions you have, there is a reason we use a different word to describe crimes that include a sexual component, because we recognise sexual crimes as particularly heinous and degrading. Similarly, all labour is coerced but we recognise that coercing someone into filling out an Excel spreadsheet, while wrong, is not especially heinous in the way that coercing someone into sex is.