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Photoshop users are not gimp users though. You need to listen to you actual user base and make sure the data is representative. As a Gimp user, I sure think t

Photoshop users are not gimp users though. You need to listen to you actual user base and make sure the data is representative. As a Gimp user, I sure think that there is some stuff could be improved but "make it more like Photoshop" is not what I need.

oblio 3y ago
See, that's the thing. People dismiss this as being "just Photoshop users". No, it's not, people listed Corel, Krita and 3-4 other photo editing programs here. And those are probably used by 95% of people editing photos. So Gimp's user base, while existing, is minuscule. Your is the other common defense, the Emacs defense. "What about the existing users?" (All 4 of them? :-p) Yes, even the worst programs in the history of mankind (not saying Gimp is horrible, just going for reduction ad absurdum) have their loyal users. That doesn't make them right. This argument is flawed, in my opinion. Gimp receives a lot of TLC from its developers. That TLC would help more people if it were better guided in the UI/UX department. My 2 eurocents. At the end of the day, the Gimp devs can do whatever they want. But my bet is on this discussion happening in much the same form in 2050.
- cardanome 3y ago
  > "If majority is always right - let's eat shit... millions of flies can't be wrong" - Waldemar Łysiak Measuring software quality based on number of users is such an insane take. Just imagine applying that to other fields. So Pop music charts represent the peak of musical artistry now? When deciding what laptop you gonna buy you google "Most sold laptop" or what? The most healthy food is the one most eaten? People are different. They have different needs, different experience levels, different cultural backgrounds and so much more. There is not that one piece of software that is best for everyone. If a piece of software does not work for you, that is fine. Not everything needs to be for you. For someone else it might be exactly the tool they need. I absolutely get why people dislike using Gimp but I don't get why that means it needs to change for them. Like for me, yeah Gimp annoys me sometimes but we get along, other photo editing programs annoy me more. You might not get much value out of Emacs but even if it is just the best tool ever for four people that is still pretty nice. (Honestly, there are dozens of us, dozens!)
  - jpc0 3y ago
    There is a point where measuring the user base has merit. If I wanted a laptop I would certainly buy the laptop bought by most people with the same needs. For tools like gimp a large user base is beneficial since people wanting to learn how to do photo editing of graphic design will google how to do that and the tools used make a difference, if the majority of users are using Photoshop and Illustrator unfortunately most of thr tutorials and courses will be tought using that and the industry will continue using it. If however your UI/UX isn't abysmal and you can effectively teach first principles using Gimp, courses and tutorials will come and so will the users. There's a reason blender became as popular as it is, it was good enough in the beginning and with more users came more funding and more/better developers and now it wouldn't surprise me if it's the preffered tool in the industry.
macNchz 3y ago
I’m a Photoshop user who also runs Gimp (I typically use Linux but have a Windows partition and a Mac laptop). Gimp is totally fine for miscellaneous day-to-day basic stuff, but if I’m going to settle in and do any serious image work for more than 15m I’m switching to PS every time. There’s just enough friction in the Gimp interface that I feel more focused using Photoshop, and at this point I’m pretty confident it’s not a question of familiarity, as I’ve used both regularly for years.

oblio 3y ago

See, that's the thing. People dismiss this as being "just Photoshop users". No, it's not, people listed Corel, Krita and 3-4 other photo editing programs here. And those are probably used by 95% of people editing photos. So Gimp's user base, while existing, is minuscule. Your is the other common defense, the Emacs defense. "What about the existing users?" (All 4 of them? :-p) Yes, even the worst programs in the history of mankind (not saying Gimp is horrible, just going for reduction ad absurdum) have their loyal users. That doesn't make them right. This argument is flawed, in my opinion. Gimp receives a lot of TLC from its developers. That TLC would help more people if it were better guided in the UI/UX department. My 2 eurocents. At the end of the day, the Gimp devs can do whatever they want. But my bet is on this discussion happening in much the same form in 2050.

cardanome 3y ago
> "If majority is always right - let's eat shit... millions of flies can't be wrong" - Waldemar Łysiak Measuring software quality based on number of users is such an insane take. Just imagine applying that to other fields. So Pop music charts represent the peak of musical artistry now? When deciding what laptop you gonna buy you google "Most sold laptop" or what? The most healthy food is the one most eaten? People are different. They have different needs, different experience levels, different cultural backgrounds and so much more. There is not that one piece of software that is best for everyone. If a piece of software does not work for you, that is fine. Not everything needs to be for you. For someone else it might be exactly the tool they need. I absolutely get why people dislike using Gimp but I don't get why that means it needs to change for them. Like for me, yeah Gimp annoys me sometimes but we get along, other photo editing programs annoy me more. You might not get much value out of Emacs but even if it is just the best tool ever for four people that is still pretty nice. (Honestly, there are dozens of us, dozens!)
- jpc0 3y ago
  There is a point where measuring the user base has merit. If I wanted a laptop I would certainly buy the laptop bought by most people with the same needs. For tools like gimp a large user base is beneficial since people wanting to learn how to do photo editing of graphic design will google how to do that and the tools used make a difference, if the majority of users are using Photoshop and Illustrator unfortunately most of thr tutorials and courses will be tought using that and the industry will continue using it. If however your UI/UX isn't abysmal and you can effectively teach first principles using Gimp, courses and tutorials will come and so will the users. There's a reason blender became as popular as it is, it was good enough in the beginning and with more users came more funding and more/better developers and now it wouldn't surprise me if it's the preffered tool in the industry.

macNchz 3y ago

I’m a Photoshop user who also runs Gimp (I typically use Linux but have a Windows partition and a Mac laptop). Gimp is totally fine for miscellaneous day-to-day basic stuff, but if I’m going to settle in and do any serious image work for more than 15m I’m switching to PS every time. There’s just enough friction in the Gimp interface that I feel more focused using Photoshop, and at this point I’m pretty confident it’s not a question of familiarity, as I’ve used both regularly for years.