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Topo magazine uses comics to tell the news to French teens
- ekianjo 3y ago[flagged]
- CppPro 3y agoTopo = Mouse
- mocamoca 3y agoMaybe in an other language. But in French (and in this context) a "topo" is a summary or a synopsys. I guess it comes from "topographie", a sort of map.
- giuliomagnifico 3y agoOh thanks! Also in Italian topo means mouse.
- fsckboy 3y agoactually, in french mouse is souris (and bat is "shaved mouse", chauve souris) i think the french just know the italian word. i think there have been other celebrity topi, like Topo Gigio. i wrote a little script tool to explore/confirm my network topology, and i call it gigio :) it's based on testing ad hoc knowledge of my network topology so it's not generally useful.
- benterris 3y agoBat is actually "bald mouse", not "shaved", which makes sense somehow !
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- FoeNyx 3y agoThe etymology of "chauve" (bald) in "chauve-souris" (bat) is debated, but I've often read that it could be a deformation of a word designating an owl or a crow (it would be a cognate with the late Latin "cavannus" (tawny owl), for example). On a similar note, the "cerf" (deer) in "un cerf-volant" (a kite toy) probably derive from occitan sèrp (snake) as a reference to dragon-shaped kites from Asia.
- throw_pm23 3y agoInteresting, probably a cognate of latin serpens, also English serpent (=snake), the other is also from latin cervus (=deer).
- frostburg 3y agoSouris seems related to the Italian synonym / pejorative sorcio (for mouse) but I haven't checked.
- quickthrower2 3y agoBut it is “place” in Greek, funny that it is different
- userbinator 3y agoIn Italian. But in French, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/topo#Noun_3 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/topo#Noun_3 sketch/rundown/short report/rough outline seems more likely the meaning in context here.
- galaxyLogic 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topolino https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topolino . Perhaps this is a connection to comics too.
- Broussebar 3y agoA little bit off topic but there’s a new wave of bande dessinée (french comics) artists in France i can really recommend anyone understanding french to have a look at anything published by the Label 619[1][2] especially the one shot Shangri La[3]. There’s also the beautiful Saint Elme[4] that is definitely worth a read. [1] https://www.ankama-shop.com/en/13-label619 https://www.ankama-shop.com/en/13-label619 [2] https://www.editions-ruedesevres.fr/univers/label-619 https://www.editions-ruedesevres.fr/univers/label-619 [3] https://www.ankama-shop.com/en/label619/813-shangri-la-complete-edition-graphic-novel-.html https://www.ankama-shop.com/en/label619/813-shangri-la-compl... [4] https://www.editions-delcourt.fr/bd/series/serie-saint-elme/album-saint-elme-t01 https://www.editions-delcourt.fr/bd/series/serie-saint-elme/...
- passwordoops 3y agoThanks so much! My kid needs to learn French (Montreal) but the way they teach it here is awful and I'm afraid turning her off the language. The only thing she really liked so far was a bande dessinée called "Lou". I'll give these others a try before the education system turns her off la belle langue forever
- bionsystem 3y agoDepending on their ages and tastes here are a few of my favorites : - Manu Larcenet : has many great series suitable for kids. If you want to check one a bit more for adults I recommend "Blast" which is pretty much my favorite comic ever. - Lewis Trondheim has a great series around his character "Lapinot" (his Donjon series is amazing too ; be careful one or two of the albums can be a bit scary if the kid is too young, for instance I remember a scene of rape, not visual but it is clear what happens ; but a good chunk of the series is light-hearted especially potron-minet and parade) - Joan Sfar : actually co-author of Donjon but has entire work of his own, quite introspective with his jewish culture If you would like to teach with songs I also recommend Renaud (the albums from the 80s, not the recent ones), Brel, Iam (french 90s rap group but a lot of the lyrics are non-violent ; their most famous piece is about star wars actually).
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- charcircuit 3y agoI don't understand why they are not making their characters attractive by default like is done in manga. People want to see cute characters and I imagine most artists want to draw cute characters.
- boomboomsubban 3y agoExcept for Musk, everyone seems stylistically fairly cute. The textile workers all are simply drawn but cute, and the cover with the reclined man is odd but he's still attractive. So I'm guessing the artist isn't a huge fan of Musk.
- userbinator 3y agoAs much as the French consume manga and other Japanese culture including anime, I think this is a more typical Western style, audiences of which may find normal Japanese cuteness to be over-the-top.
- guil177 3y agoI feel like historically french and belgium comic has a lot to do with caricature. I remember reading a lot of comic where every character was actually ugly. The only exceptions were tintin and blake et mortimer (from my childhood comic selection obviously)
- dopidopHN 3y agoNot caricature. More like … realistic? Characters have flaws, like in the real worlds. Their body are tired and they experience real human emotions. It’s just more adult in general
- guil177 3y agoIn the topo magazine yes, it has a more realistic style, but still I feel like history is very different from manga, and it still have influence even on those realistic style sometime. Like all comics like achille talon, asterix obelix, gaston lagaffe, boule et bill, cedric... Every character is exaggerated and not in flattering manner.
- hunters_laptop 3y ago[dead]
- devnonymous 3y agoReminds of The Nib ( https://thenib.com/ https://thenib.com/ ). Some of the best English language non fiction artists contributed to it. Was saddened when they decided to discontinue.
- xrd 3y agoYeah, I came here to post this. I still have all my back issues. They are great, and my kids understand the world a little better because it is accessible to them.
- mp05 3y agoIf you're letting "kids" read this, you're robbing them of their childhood. Minds that have not been fully developed should not be ingesting propaganda.
- voltaireodactyl 3y agoI for one plan to limit my children’s screen-propaganda time at least until they’re in middle school, so I appreciate a paper-propaganda option to serve as a less-stimulating entre to society.
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- isametry 3y agoSeems very heavily… leaning for sure. And interestingly, you can tell at first glance without reading any of the contents — it's the artstyles. I'm not sure what it is exactly, I wish I could put a finger on it, but there's just something about most political cartoons which makes them give away their alignment instantly (either way). It's especially obvious if you look at the Authors page [0]. I don't think anyone can be in doubt as to where most of these artists stand. As a group for sure, but even the individual avatars when viewed isolated. This is somehow fascinating to me. [0] https://thenib.com/authors/ https://thenib.com/authors/
- romwell 3y agoReject tradition (comics), embrace modernity (memes). /r/NCD[1] uses memes to tell the news to American adults (and fight misinformation along the way). Disclaimer: I'm an unashamed contributor and a NAFO[1] member [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense https://old.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense [2]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFO_(meme) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAFO_(meme)
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- RcouF1uZ4gsC 3y agoThis strikes me more as propaganda than the news. Cartooning involves a lot more ability to editorialize. Even if the words are the same, subtle alterations in depictions can convey what the cartoonist wants. In addition, in a world of StableDifffusion and AI generated graphics, are we really wanting to train teens to get their news via (human for now) generated depictions of current events?
- ses1984 3y agoUnless you’re physically present for an event, literally all news you can possibly get about that event is a generated depiction of it.
- kwhitefoot 3y agoEven if you are there you still don't see the whole event, just the tiny part that is within view. Everyone has to rely on the evidence gathered and presented by others.
- k__ 3y agoI once visited a photography exhibition about propaganda in Nazi Germany. Photos look much realer than most drawings/paintings so people assume what they're depicting must be real. Since the technology was new, most people just believed it, and so the Nazis could sell them anything as the truth.
- badsaga 3y agoIn Spain we also have a magazine like this called "El Jueves" which is also very left-leaning like this one. I suppose such magazines exist in every country?
- local_crmdgeon 3y agoLeft leaning, targeted at immigrants - seems like bad news
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- TheAceOfHearts 3y agoBuying physical magazines in this era seems a bit archaic. One aspect that I like about the slow release schedule is that it forces the editors to only include things which are really important or relevant, rather than having to pad with news that will be forgotten in a couple days. I think Washington Post is doing the best job at reaching younger audiences with their TikTok shorts. They make short sketches of current events, which the viewer can follow up on if the story catches their interest. You have to meet young people where they're at while respecting the medium. Maybe a fun remix would be to make short and silly animations detailing current events. Another attempt at reaching younger audiences: there are some egirls that act really over the top anime kawaii uwu while dropping political facts. It's a bit cringe inducing, but appears to be effective at getting people's attention. Admittedly I'm not sure if this form of informational dissemination will remain viable in the long term or if it'll lose potency once the novelty wears off.
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- Georgelemental 3y ago"ATTENTION! L'EUROPE s'habitue au poison de l'extrême droite !" / "ATTENTION! EUROPE habituates itself to the poison of the far right!" (from image at top of article) This publication seems to have a clear editorial line…
- local_crmdgeon 3y ago“French” teens, perhaps
- kwhitefoot 3y agoWhat are the quotation marks meant to convey?
- achow 3y agoSample of an actual comic strip posted by an artist: Jan-Feb 2023 issue. 7-page comic strip focused on the presentation of the job of French ambassador to Haiti. https://www.maximeschertenleib.ch/topo https://www.maximeschertenleib.ch/topo