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This reliably kills Firefox on Linux here. The whole browser. After a few seconds, during which the laptop fans are spinnung up, all tabs go into a "This tab

by TekMol 3y ago

This reliably kills Firefox on Linux here. The whole browser. After a few seconds, during which the laptop fans are spinnung up, all tabs go into a "This tab just crashed" state.

blux 3y ago
I'm not sure why you are downvoted; I have the exact same on an up-to-date Firefox.
sebstefan 3y ago
It brought my windows laptop to its knees as well, I closed the tab before I got to see any stats. :')
deafpolygon 3y ago
MS Edge on a beefy PC - killing my browser here.
edvards 3y ago
Same with Google Chrome stable on Linux (Ubuntu 22.04) EDIT: Works well on Google Chrome stable on Windows 11 tho
olex 3y ago
No issue with FF 119.0.1 on macOS/arm.
firesteelrain 3y ago
Must be your PC. Works fine on my iPhone with FireFox
- acatton 3y ago
  Firefox on iPhone uses Webkit. It's basically a Safari skin. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Firefox&oldid=1186482699#Firefox_for_iOS https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Firefox&oldid=118... > It is the first Firefox-branded browser not to use the Gecko layout engine as is used in Firefox for desktop and mobile. Apple's policies require all iOS apps that browse the web to use the built-in WebKit rendering framework and WebKit JavaScript, so using Gecko is not possible.
  - rezonant 3y ago
    Hopefully Apple's policy ends soon.
  - firesteelrain 3y ago
    Good to know. I am not sure why that was relevant to the page load issues of the Stripe dashboard since I didn’t compare it to Safari
- rpacut 3y ago
  Last time I checked Firefox for iPhones was just a UI over Safari engine. Did things change?
  - rezonant 3y ago
    No, it is still using Safari WebView, but Apple may be forced to change that policy in the near future if we're lucky.
- zht 3y ago
  how are people so confidently wrong about stuff like this?
  - deleted 3y ago
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keanebean86 3y ago
Seems to be very GPU heavy. The GPU in my 7320u is maxed out and the site feels really slow.
lkramer 3y ago
Kills my firefox on Linux too. Fairly beefy laptop which should have no issues.
etaweb 3y ago
Same here on Firefox and Brave
codethief 3y ago
Works fine for me in Firefox on Android.
rossdavidh 3y ago
I just looked at it in Firefox/Linux, no problem.
ratsmack 3y ago
Running Firefox 115.4.0esr here and there is no problem, you may be running a different version (debian testing). My four core cpu is at 23%, even with thinkorswim running.
imp0cat 3y ago
Firefox/Linux/Ryzen 5 here and it runs fine. Does not even spin the fans.
hibikir 3y ago
The old version of this was even worse for performance. Stripe has had an internal dashboard like this, open to anyone on the VPN, for at least 15 years: Started on a hackathon IIRC. One, serious view had a month-long by-the-minute chart, letting people see the growth. A typical first-of-the-month tradition was to try to predict where the total volume was going to end up, and celebrating when the daily processing record was beaten. But the real problem wasn't that one, but a far more expensive variation that instead of giving you a number, represented the processing volume with little characters that would dance around the screen: The higher the volume, the more characters would come in. The problem was that this was created when Stripe's total volume was quite small, and Stripe was growing exceptionally well. So if you opened the dashboard on black friday (Or even worse, ten years ago, when black friday was on December 1st, and therefore also got many customer's subscription volume), then the number of flying Totoros would just overwhelm anything and everything any laptop would throw at it. While the totoro-based performance was not up to Stripe standards (we should have gone in and added an extra zero or two to the threshold for every character), letting the entire company see that side of the financials live was a great move. So many startups out there just aren't candid with their employees regarding the economic state of affairs, while early Stripe let everyone see the processing volume, and thus whether growth was accelerating or slowing down. It's also what is surprising of seeing this visible outside: At the same time that finances were very open internally, Stripe was very secretive of the data for the outside. Every time a major business news outlet made an estimate of the real processing volume, they were hilariously off, and that's because there were very few leaks, even after launching a new round where investors definitely were handed the real numbers. Based on this data alone, I'd expect people with some practice would be able to get a reasonably close estimate of what Stripe processed this year.
- granzymes 3y ago
  >Based on this data alone, I'd expect people with some practice would be able to get a reasonably close estimate of what Stripe processed this year. Stripe recently started publishing their yearly processing volume in user letters (see, e.g. 2022: https://stripe.com/annual-updates/2022 https://stripe.com/annual-updates/2022). I assume they will publish the 2023 numbers as well.
smca 3y ago
Sorry for the trouble, we've just pushed bfcm.stripe.dev/lofi live. Should run reliably with very little load on any machine.
- TekMol 3y ago
  No change here. It still kills the browser and all tabs in it.
  - surajrmal 3y ago
    That sounds like a Firefox bug
    - chrisandchris 3y ago
      Sounds like the browser vendor should fix all the crappy javascript deployed to the web :)
- not_your_vase 3y ago
  Have the same issue here, with Ryzen 4700U + 16 GB RAM. Are you saying that it is not enough for generic browsing at the end of 2023?
  - smca 3y ago
    Which OS are you running and which browser? We've optimized for many common browsers/OS combos but have clearly missed yours (nothing to do with your specs).
    - bostik 3y ago
      As a counterpoint, Ryzen 7530U + 16GB here and with Linux+Firefox the page generates a fairly constant 25% CPU load. So while clearly heavy for what is essentially a few streaming counters, it's not a system killer.
    - not_your_vase 3y ago
rjbwork 3y ago
Interesting. Firefox on Android handles it just fine for me.
Xymist 3y ago
Checking with `nvidia-smi`, that tab's presence uses eight gigs of GPU memory, at least on a 4K screen.
freyfogle 3y ago
on mac as well. Completely froze everything. Lame
Darmody 3y ago
I wasn't going to comment because I thought it was only me but yes. I heard the fans and then it crashed. Thankfully I wasn't doing anything important...
danudey 3y ago
Kills Firefox? My entire laptop, including my cursor and typing into a terminal, dropped to something like 10 fps. The lofi version posted in reply to this is definitely better, but it's still crazy they managed to use up an entire laptop for their status page. Cool, but crazy.
- rezonant 3y ago
  Doesn't kill Firefox for me, but my machine is beastly. Windows 11, i9 12900K + RTX 3080Ti, seeing 35% overall CPU, Firefox using 1.2% of that, Task Manager indicating 15-20% of the GPU. Maybe they fixed it, though. Actually Firefox works a bit better, as the hitbox for the Next/Previous buttons is weirdly offset in Chrome but is spot on in Firefox, kudos. EDIT: On `/lofi` Firefox is using about 0.1% CPU.
MarkSweep 3y ago
For what it's worth, this page was freezing my Windows computer in both Firefox and Chrome. Once I updated my AMD graphics drivers, it now works smoothly. I have an AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT. Graphics driver version 23.11.1 .
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tamimio 3y ago
That means nothing.. what type of linux? what kind of customizations you did in your distro? WM? Based on which one? Drivers installed? And I’m not even going with your Firefox setup and what kind of addons you have.. such statement is expected from tech illiterates that see linux as a monolith thing or like MacOS where your OS will be identical to another for the most part, technically Linux is just a kernel per se. I use “linux” (mint cinnamon) with Firefox and ubo addon and that page loaded perfectly on thinkpad T470.

by TekMol 3y ago

This reliably kills Firefox on Linux here. The whole browser. After a few seconds, during which the laptop fans are spinnung up, all tabs go into a "This tab just crashed" state.

blux 3y ago

I'm not sure why you are downvoted; I have the exact same on an up-to-date Firefox.

sebstefan 3y ago

It brought my windows laptop to its knees as well, I closed the tab before I got to see any stats. :')

deafpolygon 3y ago

MS Edge on a beefy PC - killing my browser here.

edvards 3y ago

Same with Google Chrome stable on Linux (Ubuntu 22.04) EDIT: Works well on Google Chrome stable on Windows 11 tho

olex 3y ago

No issue with FF 119.0.1 on macOS/arm.

firesteelrain 3y ago

Must be your PC. Works fine on my iPhone with FireFox

acatton 3y ago
Firefox on iPhone uses Webkit. It's basically a Safari skin. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Firefox&oldid=1186482699#Firefox_for_iOS https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Firefox&oldid=118... > It is the first Firefox-branded browser not to use the Gecko layout engine as is used in Firefox for desktop and mobile. Apple's policies require all iOS apps that browse the web to use the built-in WebKit rendering framework and WebKit JavaScript, so using Gecko is not possible.
- rezonant 3y ago
  Hopefully Apple's policy ends soon.
- firesteelrain 3y ago
  Good to know. I am not sure why that was relevant to the page load issues of the Stripe dashboard since I didn’t compare it to Safari
rpacut 3y ago
Last time I checked Firefox for iPhones was just a UI over Safari engine. Did things change?
- rezonant 3y ago
  No, it is still using Safari WebView, but Apple may be forced to change that policy in the near future if we're lucky.
zht 3y ago
how are people so confidently wrong about stuff like this?
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]

keanebean86 3y ago

Seems to be very GPU heavy. The GPU in my 7320u is maxed out and the site feels really slow.

lkramer 3y ago

Kills my firefox on Linux too. Fairly beefy laptop which should have no issues.

etaweb 3y ago

Same here on Firefox and Brave

codethief 3y ago

Works fine for me in Firefox on Android.

rossdavidh 3y ago

I just looked at it in Firefox/Linux, no problem.

ratsmack 3y ago

Running Firefox 115.4.0esr here and there is no problem, you may be running a different version (debian testing). My four core cpu is at 23%, even with thinkorswim running.

imp0cat 3y ago

Firefox/Linux/Ryzen 5 here and it runs fine. Does not even spin the fans.

hibikir 3y ago

The old version of this was even worse for performance. Stripe has had an internal dashboard like this, open to anyone on the VPN, for at least 15 years: Started on a hackathon IIRC. One, serious view had a month-long by-the-minute chart, letting people see the growth. A typical first-of-the-month tradition was to try to predict where the total volume was going to end up, and celebrating when the daily processing record was beaten. But the real problem wasn't that one, but a far more expensive variation that instead of giving you a number, represented the processing volume with little characters that would dance around the screen: The higher the volume, the more characters would come in. The problem was that this was created when Stripe's total volume was quite small, and Stripe was growing exceptionally well. So if you opened the dashboard on black friday (Or even worse, ten years ago, when black friday was on December 1st, and therefore also got many customer's subscription volume), then the number of flying Totoros would just overwhelm anything and everything any laptop would throw at it. While the totoro-based performance was not up to Stripe standards (we should have gone in and added an extra zero or two to the threshold for every character), letting the entire company see that side of the financials live was a great move. So many startups out there just aren't candid with their employees regarding the economic state of affairs, while early Stripe let everyone see the processing volume, and thus whether growth was accelerating or slowing down. It's also what is surprising of seeing this visible outside: At the same time that finances were very open internally, Stripe was very secretive of the data for the outside. Every time a major business news outlet made an estimate of the real processing volume, they were hilariously off, and that's because there were very few leaks, even after launching a new round where investors definitely were handed the real numbers. Based on this data alone, I'd expect people with some practice would be able to get a reasonably close estimate of what Stripe processed this year.

granzymes 3y ago
>Based on this data alone, I'd expect people with some practice would be able to get a reasonably close estimate of what Stripe processed this year. Stripe recently started publishing their yearly processing volume in user letters (see, e.g. 2022: https://stripe.com/annual-updates/2022 https://stripe.com/annual-updates/2022). I assume they will publish the 2023 numbers as well.

smca 3y ago

Sorry for the trouble, we've just pushed bfcm.stripe.dev/lofi live. Should run reliably with very little load on any machine.

TekMol 3y ago
No change here. It still kills the browser and all tabs in it.
- surajrmal 3y ago
  That sounds like a Firefox bug
  - chrisandchris 3y ago
    Sounds like the browser vendor should fix all the crappy javascript deployed to the web :)
not_your_vase 3y ago
Have the same issue here, with Ryzen 4700U + 16 GB RAM. Are you saying that it is not enough for generic browsing at the end of 2023?
- smca 3y ago
  Which OS are you running and which browser? We've optimized for many common browsers/OS combos but have clearly missed yours (nothing to do with your specs).
  - bostik 3y ago
    As a counterpoint, Ryzen 7530U + 16GB here and with Linux+Firefox the page generates a fairly constant 25% CPU load. So while clearly heavy for what is essentially a few streaming counters, it's not a system killer.
  - not_your_vase 3y ago

rjbwork 3y ago

Interesting. Firefox on Android handles it just fine for me.

Xymist 3y ago

Checking with `nvidia-smi`, that tab's presence uses eight gigs of GPU memory, at least on a 4K screen.

freyfogle 3y ago

on mac as well. Completely froze everything. Lame

Darmody 3y ago

I wasn't going to comment because I thought it was only me but yes. I heard the fans and then it crashed. Thankfully I wasn't doing anything important...

danudey 3y ago

Kills Firefox? My entire laptop, including my cursor and typing into a terminal, dropped to something like 10 fps. The lofi version posted in reply to this is definitely better, but it's still crazy they managed to use up an entire laptop for their status page. Cool, but crazy.

rezonant 3y ago
Doesn't kill Firefox for me, but my machine is beastly. Windows 11, i9 12900K + RTX 3080Ti, seeing 35% overall CPU, Firefox using 1.2% of that, Task Manager indicating 15-20% of the GPU. Maybe they fixed it, though. Actually Firefox works a bit better, as the hitbox for the Next/Previous buttons is weirdly offset in Chrome but is spot on in Firefox, kudos. EDIT: On `/lofi` Firefox is using about 0.1% CPU.

MarkSweep 3y ago

For what it's worth, this page was freezing my Windows computer in both Firefox and Chrome. Once I updated my AMD graphics drivers, it now works smoothly. I have an AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT. Graphics driver version 23.11.1 .

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tamimio 3y ago

That means nothing.. what type of linux? what kind of customizations you did in your distro? WM? Based on which one? Drivers installed? And I’m not even going with your Firefox setup and what kind of addons you have.. such statement is expected from tech illiterates that see linux as a monolith thing or like MacOS where your OS will be identical to another for the most part, technically Linux is just a kernel per se. I use “linux” (mint cinnamon) with Firefox and ubo addon and that page loaded perfectly on thinkpad T470.