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> You mean the EU was in control of your borders before? To some extent yes. EU citizens did have the right to live and work in the UK prior to Brexit. Would y
by kypro 3y ago
> You mean the EU was in control of your borders before?
To some extent yes. EU citizens did have the right to live and work in the UK prior to Brexit. Would you disagree with this?
> I think you don't know how the EU works and what it can and can't do with your borders.
To be clear, I didn't vote for Brexit for immigration reasons. I hold no opinion on immigration. I'm a hard-core libertarian so in my ideal world borders wouldn't even exist. But even if I did vote for brexit to reduce migration my point is that if politicians promised us that post-Brexit net-migration would be reduced (something which they would indisputably have the power to do), then again, why would it wrong to vote for that? Is it simply that it's naive to think that politicians will do what they say, or do you believe UK politicians cannot control UK borders so could not have made that promise?
It seems you're making a different point – that the UK could have controlled their borders without leaving the EU – which even if true would be a different argument.
- FirmwareBurner 3y ago>To some extent yes. EU citizens did have the right to live and work in the UK prior to Brexit. Would you disagree with this? That was the free movement agrement within the EU which the UK agreed to when it joined the EU and when it voted to allow all other new members in. The EU didn't have direct control of your borders. The UK still had sovereignty to kick out all illegal people which had no right to enter the UK. I'm still baffled by the lack of understanding of Brits over their own borders.
- kypro 3y ago> That was the free movement agrement within the EU which the UK agreed to when it joined the EU > The UK still had sovereignty to kick out all illegal people which had no right to enter the UK I promise I'm not trying to misrepresent you here so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is your argument is as follows: The UK agreed to join the EU which as a requirement of it's membership means all EU citizens the right to live and work in the UK – we agree on this. But next I start to lose you. I think what you're saying is because we choose to join the EU and accept free move, we could therefore always choose to leave. So really we always had power to control our borders because we could always choose to leave the EU and not allow free movement? But the issue I'm having is that you also think it's silly to vote to leave the EU to control our borders? Additionally you added: > The UK still had sovereignty to kick out all illegal people which had no right to enter the UK. But what's your point here? EU citizens had the legal right to enter the UK as you noted above? Sorry if I'm being dense here lol.