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Shopify has a similar dashboard as well: https://bfcm.shopify.com https://bfcm.shopify.com

by pierrebeaucamp 3y ago

saliagato 3y ago
this is so cool lol
- deleted 3y ago
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- kefabean 3y ago
  It does look cool, but I do find the 'Carbon removed' ticker slightly misleading. In what way does this reflect carbon removed? Surely carbon added to the atmosphere is broadly proportional to the total value of sales.
  - CallMeMarc 3y ago
    If I'm not mistaken then this refers to transactions done using Shop Pay which will "remove carbon from the air". https://shop.app/carbon-removal https://shop.app/carbon-removal
    - jona-f 3y ago
      Sadly those are almost certainly greenwashing bullshit. John Oliver did a piece on that. Also there was this guardian review that didn't find a single satisfactory project among 50. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/19/do-carbon-credit-reduce-emissions-greenhouse-gases?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/19/do-carbo...
      - judge2020 3y ago
        Shopify lists their partners on the page and it seems legit enough, not just "Thanks for the $10, I won't remove this tree on the side of this mountain now".
      - akamaka 3y ago
        How about direct air capture, is that also greenwashing? Shopify is simply waiting for the capture plants to go online: https://news.shopify.com/shopify-purchases-more-direct-air-capture-dac-carbon-removal-than-any-other-company https://news.shopify.com/shopify-purchases-more-direct-air-c...
        jona-f 3y ago
        Yes, afaik, direct air capture currently is miniscule and when it is happening the co2 is sold on the market, where it replaces waste-product-co2, so in the end no co2 is actually removed from the atmosphere. It's currently in research phase, marketing it as "you can offset your carbon emissions here" is lies. We currently can't both consume like this and improve the outcome of global warming. The whole idea of black friday goes against such efforts. Attempts to market it otherwise, even if they were credible are greenwashing.
        nozzlegear 3y ago
        To be frank, it sounds like you're deadset on being cynical no matter what. Shopify has committed to removing carbon from the atmosphere via direct air capture, and that's what their metric is counting. Direct air capture is literally removing carbon from the atmosphere, regardless of what's done with the carbon afterwards.
        cjaybo 3y ago
        > Direct air capture is literally removing carbon from the atmosphere, regardless of what's done with the carbon afterwards Regardless of what’s done afterwards? Sure, if we arbitrarily decide to ignore the full effects of any system we can make all sorts of fanciful claims. That’s not exactly useful, though.
        nozzlegear 3y ago
        My point was that Shopify is removing carbon from the atmosphere with their DACs. It’s not their fault if someone then purchases that carbon they removed and decides to shoot it straight back into the atmosphere, or whatever it is you’re concerned about, assuming just anyone can even purchase Shopify’s removed carbon. I suppose we can’t be satisfied until Shopify finds a way to remove the carbon and then ship it off of earth entirely using a space elevator?
  - thundergolfer 3y ago
    It’s 100% false consciousness. The Black Friday consumption is a significant carbon pollution event, but ‘conscious consumers’ (and engineers) appreciate the carbon offset trick.
hokkos 3y ago
Done with Three.js
oritsnile 3y ago
Wow, these customizations are crazy. Flying in airplane mode makes it look like a war zone.
fragmede 3y ago
Shopify uses stripe, so someone out there's doing the math of that dashboard minus the other one and gaining some alpha.
- alas44 3y ago
  What kind of useful information could someone derive from the delta?
  - fragmede 3y ago
    If you were trying to price pre-IPO Stripe options, knowing what percentage of revenue Stripe is reliant on Shopify for might be interesting.
echelon 3y ago
Square has one too. They should show it off.
efxhoy 3y ago
I'm trying to peek at the data in the dev tools. It's doing a long running request to https://bfcm-globe-data-service-central.shopifycloud.com/public/streaming/events https://bfcm-globe-data-service-central.shopifycloud.com/pub... which is constantly downloading more data, but when I go to peek at the raw data in the "EventStream" tab it shows nothing. Anyone know how to peek at the data?
- Shocka1 3y ago
  If I'm understanding your comment correctly: https://bfcm.stripe.dev/api/data https://bfcm.stripe.dev/api/data

Shopify has a similar dashboard as well: https://bfcm.shopify.com https://bfcm.shopify.com

saliagato 3y ago

this is so cool lol

deleted 3y ago
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kefabean 3y ago
It does look cool, but I do find the 'Carbon removed' ticker slightly misleading. In what way does this reflect carbon removed? Surely carbon added to the atmosphere is broadly proportional to the total value of sales.
- CallMeMarc 3y ago
  If I'm not mistaken then this refers to transactions done using Shop Pay which will "remove carbon from the air". https://shop.app/carbon-removal https://shop.app/carbon-removal
  - jona-f 3y ago
    Sadly those are almost certainly greenwashing bullshit. John Oliver did a piece on that. Also there was this guardian review that didn't find a single satisfactory project among 50. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/19/do-carbon-credit-reduce-emissions-greenhouse-gases?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/sep/19/do-carbo...
    - judge2020 3y ago
      Shopify lists their partners on the page and it seems legit enough, not just "Thanks for the $10, I won't remove this tree on the side of this mountain now".
    - akamaka 3y ago
      How about direct air capture, is that also greenwashing? Shopify is simply waiting for the capture plants to go online: https://news.shopify.com/shopify-purchases-more-direct-air-capture-dac-carbon-removal-than-any-other-company https://news.shopify.com/shopify-purchases-more-direct-air-c...
      - jona-f 3y ago
        Yes, afaik, direct air capture currently is miniscule and when it is happening the co2 is sold on the market, where it replaces waste-product-co2, so in the end no co2 is actually removed from the atmosphere. It's currently in research phase, marketing it as "you can offset your carbon emissions here" is lies. We currently can't both consume like this and improve the outcome of global warming. The whole idea of black friday goes against such efforts. Attempts to market it otherwise, even if they were credible are greenwashing.
        nozzlegear 3y ago
        To be frank, it sounds like you're deadset on being cynical no matter what. Shopify has committed to removing carbon from the atmosphere via direct air capture, and that's what their metric is counting. Direct air capture is literally removing carbon from the atmosphere, regardless of what's done with the carbon afterwards.
        cjaybo 3y ago
        > Direct air capture is literally removing carbon from the atmosphere, regardless of what's done with the carbon afterwards Regardless of what’s done afterwards? Sure, if we arbitrarily decide to ignore the full effects of any system we can make all sorts of fanciful claims. That’s not exactly useful, though.
        nozzlegear 3y ago
        My point was that Shopify is removing carbon from the atmosphere with their DACs. It’s not their fault if someone then purchases that carbon they removed and decides to shoot it straight back into the atmosphere, or whatever it is you’re concerned about, assuming just anyone can even purchase Shopify’s removed carbon. I suppose we can’t be satisfied until Shopify finds a way to remove the carbon and then ship it off of earth entirely using a space elevator?
- thundergolfer 3y ago
  It’s 100% false consciousness. The Black Friday consumption is a significant carbon pollution event, but ‘conscious consumers’ (and engineers) appreciate the carbon offset trick.

hokkos 3y ago

Done with Three.js

oritsnile 3y ago

Wow, these customizations are crazy. Flying in airplane mode makes it look like a war zone.

fragmede 3y ago

Shopify uses stripe, so someone out there's doing the math of that dashboard minus the other one and gaining some alpha.

alas44 3y ago
What kind of useful information could someone derive from the delta?
- fragmede 3y ago
  If you were trying to price pre-IPO Stripe options, knowing what percentage of revenue Stripe is reliant on Shopify for might be interesting.

echelon 3y ago

Square has one too. They should show it off.

efxhoy 3y ago

I'm trying to peek at the data in the dev tools. It's doing a long running request to https://bfcm-globe-data-service-central.shopifycloud.com/public/streaming/events https://bfcm-globe-data-service-central.shopifycloud.com/pub... which is constantly downloading more data, but when I go to peek at the raw data in the "EventStream" tab it shows nothing. Anyone know how to peek at the data?

Shocka1 3y ago
If I'm understanding your comment correctly: https://bfcm.stripe.dev/api/data https://bfcm.stripe.dev/api/data