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> It's easy to find out if someone is driving as though they are impaired, less easy to find out if they actually are. Medical emergencies spring to mind as som

> It's easy to find out if someone is driving as though they are impaired, less easy to find out if they actually are. Medical emergencies spring to mind as something that will be hard to distinguish. For the average medical emergency, everyone would probably be better off with the car stopping by the roadside: heart attack, stroke, confusion, … are not improved by hitting other cars, buildings, pedestrians. > How many people rushing to the hospital with a pregnant wife in the back will no longer make it before giving birth? I would say if this is anything more than a movie trope it would be solved better by fixing your medical system, and not having to drive dangerously and illegally in the first place. Planted into a tree is not a great way to give birth.

Aurornis 3y ago
> For the average medical emergency, everyone would probably be better off with the car stopping by the roadside: heart attack, stroke, confusion, … are not improved by hitting other cars, buildings, pedestrians. Why are you assuming the person with the problem is driving? That’s not what anyone is talking about. The point was that someone driving a passenger to the hospital would be in a justifiable rush. > I would say if this is anything more than a movie trope it would be solved better by fixing your medical system, and not having to drive dangerously and illegally in the first place. Planted into a tree is not a great way to give birth. It’s not a movie trope, rushing sick people to the hospital is a real thing that happens. It’s not a problem with the medical system. It takes longer for an ambulance to drive all the way to your location first and then to drive to the hospital than it would for someone to put you in their car and leave for the hospital immediately in most cases. You’re taking the most bad-faith interpretations of what people are suggesting, but you’re really just setting up straw man arguments and missing the point.
- masklinn 3y ago
  > Why are you assuming the person with the problem is driving? Because it's what the average "medical emergency" involving "driving as though impaired" is. > That’s not what anyone is talking about. The point was that someone driving a passenger to the hospital would be in a justifiable rush. No, the point was "medical emergency", and "driving as though impaired". > It’s not a movie trope, rushing sick people to the hospital is a real thing that happens. It absolutely is a movie trope, having to endanger everyone because you need to drive like a maniac due to a medical emergency is a rounding error occurrence in the real world. > It’s not a problem with the medical system. Of course it is, the fact that you entertain is as a genuine possibility very much speaks to a lack of pregnancy care and access to emergency services and medical care. > You’re taking the most bad-faith interpretations of what people are suggesting, but you’re really just setting up straw man arguments and missing the point. Medical emergencies at the wheel are anything but a strawman, it's a daily occurrence in the US. Even more so in the context of "driving as though they are impaired". If we're talking strawman, that is absolutely what "rushing to the hospital with a pregnant wife who otherwise won't make it" is, it's a nonsense movie scenario entirely made up to pull on heartstrings.

Aurornis 3y ago

> For the average medical emergency, everyone would probably be better off with the car stopping by the roadside: heart attack, stroke, confusion, … are not improved by hitting other cars, buildings, pedestrians. Why are you assuming the person with the problem is driving? That’s not what anyone is talking about. The point was that someone driving a passenger to the hospital would be in a justifiable rush. > I would say if this is anything more than a movie trope it would be solved better by fixing your medical system, and not having to drive dangerously and illegally in the first place. Planted into a tree is not a great way to give birth. It’s not a movie trope, rushing sick people to the hospital is a real thing that happens. It’s not a problem with the medical system. It takes longer for an ambulance to drive all the way to your location first and then to drive to the hospital than it would for someone to put you in their car and leave for the hospital immediately in most cases. You’re taking the most bad-faith interpretations of what people are suggesting, but you’re really just setting up straw man arguments and missing the point.

masklinn 3y ago
> Why are you assuming the person with the problem is driving? Because it's what the average "medical emergency" involving "driving as though impaired" is. > That’s not what anyone is talking about. The point was that someone driving a passenger to the hospital would be in a justifiable rush. No, the point was "medical emergency", and "driving as though impaired". > It’s not a movie trope, rushing sick people to the hospital is a real thing that happens. It absolutely is a movie trope, having to endanger everyone because you need to drive like a maniac due to a medical emergency is a rounding error occurrence in the real world. > It’s not a problem with the medical system. Of course it is, the fact that you entertain is as a genuine possibility very much speaks to a lack of pregnancy care and access to emergency services and medical care. > You’re taking the most bad-faith interpretations of what people are suggesting, but you’re really just setting up straw man arguments and missing the point. Medical emergencies at the wheel are anything but a strawman, it's a daily occurrence in the US. Even more so in the context of "driving as though they are impaired". If we're talking strawman, that is absolutely what "rushing to the hospital with a pregnant wife who otherwise won't make it" is, it's a nonsense movie scenario entirely made up to pull on heartstrings.