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Laws of this kind always have a string of unintended consequences attached. Imagine if a robber, intent on making sure you can't flee with your car, douses you

Laws of this kind always have a string of unintended consequences attached. Imagine if a robber, intent on making sure you can't flee with your car, douses you with a bottle of vodka.

kombookcha 3y ago
Surely this hypothetical is not actually any worse than the same robber clobbering you with said bottle to achieve the exact same outcome today?
- iteria 3y ago
  Let's exchange robber with rapist or abuser. Someone who wants to make sure you stay and can't leave and needs you relatively healthy. Of course there are violent options, but allowing someone to restrict your movements by just splashing some alcohol on you is just too easy to trap someone
  - kombookcha 3y ago
    Now it's getting a bit overengineered. Both of those are already committing violent crimes and aren't gonna be squeamish about physically preventing you from entering a non alcohol-locked vehicle.
hgomersall 3y ago
The solution to this is actually fairly simple: allow an override, but if you get caught breaking the law having overridden it without a good excuse, have very harsh penalties. The same would work for automatic speed limiters.
- giantg2 3y ago
  Drunk driving already has very harsh penalties. Excessive speeds tend to have very harsh penalties too depending on the state. There's absolutely no point to a limiting system (in these contexts) that has a user override. The people doing these things have already made the conscious choice to do them.
  - shortcake27 3y ago
    > Drunk driving already has very harsh penalties There are no penalties if you don’t get caught. I think the OP is saying that if it’s triggered, you can override it, but a report would be filed with the police so they can investigate.
    - giantg2 3y ago
      That's not at all in their comment. Their comment even says if they get caught with the override on. Filing a report would be interesting, although I'm not sure feasible it would be to track and intercept every vehicle filing a report. Not to mention, the habitual offenders will just use old cars without the tech, or bypass it.
  - hgomersall 3y ago
    In the UK, speeding gets you a small fine and a few "points" on your license, which might result in a temporary loss of license.
    - giantg2 3y ago
      Even at 150mph in a residential zone? That was the sort of speeding being discussed. Yes, minor speeding here in the US is similar. Many states will arrest you and impound your vehicle if you do 26mph (or 31, etc) over the limit or exceed some predetermined spped like 99mph. Similar if you are found to be racing, or performing any action the police see as "reckless endangerment" (including of oneself and nobody else).

Laws of this kind always have a string of unintended consequences attached. Imagine if a robber, intent on making sure you can't flee with your car, douses you with a bottle of vodka.

kombookcha 3y ago

Surely this hypothetical is not actually any worse than the same robber clobbering you with said bottle to achieve the exact same outcome today?

iteria 3y ago
Let's exchange robber with rapist or abuser. Someone who wants to make sure you stay and can't leave and needs you relatively healthy. Of course there are violent options, but allowing someone to restrict your movements by just splashing some alcohol on you is just too easy to trap someone
- kombookcha 3y ago
  Now it's getting a bit overengineered. Both of those are already committing violent crimes and aren't gonna be squeamish about physically preventing you from entering a non alcohol-locked vehicle.

hgomersall 3y ago

The solution to this is actually fairly simple: allow an override, but if you get caught breaking the law having overridden it without a good excuse, have very harsh penalties. The same would work for automatic speed limiters.

giantg2 3y ago
Drunk driving already has very harsh penalties. Excessive speeds tend to have very harsh penalties too depending on the state. There's absolutely no point to a limiting system (in these contexts) that has a user override. The people doing these things have already made the conscious choice to do them.
- shortcake27 3y ago
  > Drunk driving already has very harsh penalties There are no penalties if you don’t get caught. I think the OP is saying that if it’s triggered, you can override it, but a report would be filed with the police so they can investigate.
  - giantg2 3y ago
    That's not at all in their comment. Their comment even says if they get caught with the override on. Filing a report would be interesting, although I'm not sure feasible it would be to track and intercept every vehicle filing a report. Not to mention, the habitual offenders will just use old cars without the tech, or bypass it.
- hgomersall 3y ago
  In the UK, speeding gets you a small fine and a few "points" on your license, which might result in a temporary loss of license.
  - giantg2 3y ago
    Even at 150mph in a residential zone? That was the sort of speeding being discussed. Yes, minor speeding here in the US is similar. Many states will arrest you and impound your vehicle if you do 26mph (or 31, etc) over the limit or exceed some predetermined spped like 99mph. Similar if you are found to be racing, or performing any action the police see as "reckless endangerment" (including of oneself and nobody else).