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It all depends how you review the stats on gun deaths -- https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/ https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/

It all depends how you review the stats on gun deaths -- https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/ https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/ For instance, if you count car deaths by miles traveled, why not gun deaths by number of gun owners? Also, if you segment by demographics and manner of death it changes a lot.

crummy 3y ago
haha I can't believe deaths per firearm is an actual chart on that website. if only we could sell 2x as many guns to gun owners we could make those numbers go down even more!
- lettergram 3y ago
  It's one of about 30-40 charts sure, I also don't think it's the correct way to view it. That said, it's one of the ways stats certain stats are evaluated
  - Retric 3y ago
    I counted 4 charts based on numbers of guns, but didn’t scroll though the entire thing. (Firearm Death Rate per Firearm, Homicides & Firearms Globally, Firearms vs Homicide Rate has 2) The central error in their figures is they look at firearm rates instead of handgun rates when handguns are dramatically more likely to be linked with homicides and be considered for gun control. A NYC gun owner is not the same as an Alaskan gun owner especially in areas where owning a firearm is important for safety vs bears. That site also has many errors, such as Africa doesn’t have higher official rates of firearm deaths though we just don’t have great figures. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-violence-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-viole... They also make some rather odd statements like 1 in 200 firearms being used in a homicide = “The risk of a firearm being used in a homicide is very low”. That rate sounds insanely high to me.
    - lettergram 3y ago
      What are you talking about? I break down exactly what you mention, there's a nice appendix at the top. I cannot help if you didn't read the whole thing, but don't claim there's an error right after you mention not reading it haha Here's a direct link to how I break out homicides by murder weapons: https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Murder_Weapons_in_the_United_States https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Murder_W... Here's a direct link to the breakdown by gun ownership: https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Homicides_per_Firearm_Owner_United_States https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Homicide... Take a look at the graph of murder weapon by state: https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Murder_Weapons_in_the_United_States https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Murder_W... If you're murdered in DC you're more likely to be murdered by someones fists than by a gun. When you compare that to Alaska, you're more likely be murdered in DC by fire arm, fists, knives, etc than all causes in Alaska. In New York State, you're less likely to be murdered than in Alaska (from any cause, including gun shots). The point I am trying to make is there isn't the correlation you think there is. Regarding data, I cite my sources: https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Data_Tooling https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Data_Too... You can argue with the UN about the homicide rates, that's the data I used.
      - Retric 3y ago
        > If you're murdered in DC you're more likely to be murdered by someones fists than by a gun. When you compare that to Alaska, you're more likely be murdered in DC by fire arm, fists, knives, etc than all causes in Alaska. You’re reading that chart incorrectly, half of DC murders are by handguns. Handguns is the dark blue at the bottom, the hands fists feet rate is the grey at the top of the bar chart. > What are you talking about? In 2019 ~2 million rifles and ~0.5 million shotgun vs ~3.5 million handguns were sold yet the murder rate by weapon type is vastly in favor of handguns. It’s like we can treat them as separated categories. So what we care about is not Homicides per Firearm Owner, but Homicides per Handgun Owner etc. DC wanted a handgun ban, not an all weapon ban because over half of DC murders are by handgun.
addicted 3y ago
You normalize auto deaths per mile traveled, or per capita, etc in order to eliminate discrepancies when comparing groups that might have different sized populations or different amount of car travel. But nearly every other similar country to the U.S. does not have any meaningful gun deaths, so there’s no need to normalize because there’s no one else to compare to.
- refurb 3y ago
  No meaning full gun deaths? Canada has around 300 per year and it’s slowly going up. Adjusted for population, that would be around 4000 per year in the US. I’d say that’s a meaningful number even if the US reduced gun deaths to be on par with other developed countries. That’s about the same number of people who die each year due to chronic kidney disease.
fuzzer371 3y ago
> Also, if you segment by demographics You're not allowed to segment this specific data like that, it's racist.

crummy 3y ago

haha I can't believe deaths per firearm is an actual chart on that website. if only we could sell 2x as many guns to gun owners we could make those numbers go down even more!

lettergram 3y ago
It's one of about 30-40 charts sure, I also don't think it's the correct way to view it. That said, it's one of the ways stats certain stats are evaluated
- Retric 3y ago
  I counted 4 charts based on numbers of guns, but didn’t scroll though the entire thing. (Firearm Death Rate per Firearm, Homicides & Firearms Globally, Firearms vs Homicide Rate has 2) The central error in their figures is they look at firearm rates instead of handgun rates when handguns are dramatically more likely to be linked with homicides and be considered for gun control. A NYC gun owner is not the same as an Alaskan gun owner especially in areas where owning a firearm is important for safety vs bears. That site also has many errors, such as Africa doesn’t have higher official rates of firearm deaths though we just don’t have great figures. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-violence-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-viole... They also make some rather odd statements like 1 in 200 firearms being used in a homicide = “The risk of a firearm being used in a homicide is very low”. That rate sounds insanely high to me.
  - lettergram 3y ago
    What are you talking about? I break down exactly what you mention, there's a nice appendix at the top. I cannot help if you didn't read the whole thing, but don't claim there's an error right after you mention not reading it haha Here's a direct link to how I break out homicides by murder weapons: https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Murder_Weapons_in_the_United_States https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Murder_W... Here's a direct link to the breakdown by gun ownership: https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Homicides_per_Firearm_Owner_United_States https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Homicide... Take a look at the graph of murder weapon by state: https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Murder_Weapons_in_the_United_States https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Murder_W... If you're murdered in DC you're more likely to be murdered by someones fists than by a gun. When you compare that to Alaska, you're more likely be murdered in DC by fire arm, fists, knives, etc than all causes in Alaska. In New York State, you're less likely to be murdered than in Alaska (from any cause, including gun shots). The point I am trying to make is there isn't the correlation you think there is. Regarding data, I cite my sources: https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Data_Tooling https://austingwalters.com/firearms-by-the-numbers/#Data_Too... You can argue with the UN about the homicide rates, that's the data I used.
    - Retric 3y ago
      > If you're murdered in DC you're more likely to be murdered by someones fists than by a gun. When you compare that to Alaska, you're more likely be murdered in DC by fire arm, fists, knives, etc than all causes in Alaska. You’re reading that chart incorrectly, half of DC murders are by handguns. Handguns is the dark blue at the bottom, the hands fists feet rate is the grey at the top of the bar chart. > What are you talking about? In 2019 ~2 million rifles and ~0.5 million shotgun vs ~3.5 million handguns were sold yet the murder rate by weapon type is vastly in favor of handguns. It’s like we can treat them as separated categories. So what we care about is not Homicides per Firearm Owner, but Homicides per Handgun Owner etc. DC wanted a handgun ban, not an all weapon ban because over half of DC murders are by handgun.

addicted 3y ago

You normalize auto deaths per mile traveled, or per capita, etc in order to eliminate discrepancies when comparing groups that might have different sized populations or different amount of car travel. But nearly every other similar country to the U.S. does not have any meaningful gun deaths, so there’s no need to normalize because there’s no one else to compare to.

refurb 3y ago
No meaning full gun deaths? Canada has around 300 per year and it’s slowly going up. Adjusted for population, that would be around 4000 per year in the US. I’d say that’s a meaningful number even if the US reduced gun deaths to be on par with other developed countries. That’s about the same number of people who die each year due to chronic kidney disease.

fuzzer371 3y ago

> Also, if you segment by demographics You're not allowed to segment this specific data like that, it's racist.