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> It'll be a different being, that just so happens to be a perfect clone. But will you even be aware of that? > Even if to an outside observer it'll be indist

> It'll be a different being, that just so happens to be a perfect clone. But will you even be aware of that? > Even if to an outside observer it'll be indistinguishable from you And how about the inside observer? I used to think like you do. But now I think, Logan2 will have your memory, it should even think "well that's done, now where's my wife, she said she'll meet me and after this procedure we'll go get ice cream.". Or things like "Ah yeah I got to deal with my brother, he said something hurtful and we need to fix this conflict.". And your "soul" should not notice anything being different. If the copies are identical, shouldn't they generate the same thoughts, be triggered by the same things, like the smell of the wife's perfume or be e.g. irrationally angry at someone revving their car, and are we aware enough to think "Hang on, something's different?". To be technical about it, it's like having a virtual machine's state be copied onto a new host system, I think even the process called awareness or soul is a result of our software/hardware configuration, and nothing external, and the awareness would be an identical copy.

brhsagain 3y ago
Thought experiment: what if you copied and restored the backup into two bodies, and both bodies were a state continuation of the original? Would the two existences be simultaneously the smae person? I think it would make more sense to say that at the moment of cloning the two bodies are separate consciousnesses with the same state. In your analogy, if you copied the VM state onto two different host systems, I would think each host system would be a separate conscious experience. It's whatever being a host system is that generates consciousness, not the state itself.
- netsharc 3y ago
  I'm sure there's been movies about the scenario.. But yeah, it'd be weird to look at another person and he thinks he's me. It'd be hard to look from the outside at my copy and think "That's me, with all my knowledge and my thought processes", but.. it'd be the case.
LoganDark 3y ago
> But will you even be aware of that? Can people stop missing the point and asking if the clone will know that it's a clone or not? Because that doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter what the clone thinks - I still died.
- netsharc 3y ago
  RIP. I see you're in no mood to argue, but to me this death seems like the view of an external observer. As I say, I think my clone will happily live on thinking he's me, with all his (my) memories and his feelings and thoughts about the world, and about his own mind...
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    It's not that I'm not in the mood to argue, it's that the life and experiences of my clone won't matter to me. If I wanted to carry on a legacy or something that was larger than myself, then sure, I'd want that clone in the world even if I wouldn't get to see it myself. But in the sense of "I want to carry on living", I'd rather not die to get there, you know?
    - netsharc 3y ago
      I've been trying to argue that my "self" will think I've continued on living, I'll have my old memories, the happy and painful ones; I'll have the stuff I have in my agenda for next week, I'll have my likes and dislikes, the only difference is that they're stored in a different physical place (brain or SSD?). In that sense, did I die? I'll feel as content as my old self about the things I feel content about, etc, etc... I think the soul is just like an instance of a software running on hardware, and if the software and hardware are identical, why should the copy of an instance not think "I'm instance 'LoganDark'"? Subjectively, true, your original died, but if there's an identical copy, won't this perspective of the subject just be transferred over to the copy, with all the identical historical past?
      - LoganDark 3y ago

brhsagain 3y ago

Thought experiment: what if you copied and restored the backup into two bodies, and both bodies were a state continuation of the original? Would the two existences be simultaneously the smae person? I think it would make more sense to say that at the moment of cloning the two bodies are separate consciousnesses with the same state. In your analogy, if you copied the VM state onto two different host systems, I would think each host system would be a separate conscious experience. It's whatever being a host system is that generates consciousness, not the state itself.

netsharc 3y ago
I'm sure there's been movies about the scenario.. But yeah, it'd be weird to look at another person and he thinks he's me. It'd be hard to look from the outside at my copy and think "That's me, with all my knowledge and my thought processes", but.. it'd be the case.

LoganDark 3y ago

> But will you even be aware of that? Can people stop missing the point and asking if the clone will know that it's a clone or not? Because that doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter what the clone thinks - I still died.

netsharc 3y ago
RIP. I see you're in no mood to argue, but to me this death seems like the view of an external observer. As I say, I think my clone will happily live on thinking he's me, with all his (my) memories and his feelings and thoughts about the world, and about his own mind...
- LoganDark 3y ago
  It's not that I'm not in the mood to argue, it's that the life and experiences of my clone won't matter to me. If I wanted to carry on a legacy or something that was larger than myself, then sure, I'd want that clone in the world even if I wouldn't get to see it myself. But in the sense of "I want to carry on living", I'd rather not die to get there, you know?
  - netsharc 3y ago
    I've been trying to argue that my "self" will think I've continued on living, I'll have my old memories, the happy and painful ones; I'll have the stuff I have in my agenda for next week, I'll have my likes and dislikes, the only difference is that they're stored in a different physical place (brain or SSD?). In that sense, did I die? I'll feel as content as my old self about the things I feel content about, etc, etc... I think the soul is just like an instance of a software running on hardware, and if the software and hardware are identical, why should the copy of an instance not think "I'm instance 'LoganDark'"? Subjectively, true, your original died, but if there's an identical copy, won't this perspective of the subject just be transferred over to the copy, with all the identical historical past?
    - LoganDark 3y ago