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I personally think that academic ideas should be shared freely even if it means that our adversaries might get ahold of them. If everything was published for al

by _lvbh 3y ago

I personally think that academic ideas should be shared freely even if it means that our adversaries might get ahold of them. If everything was published for all to see and expand upon, there would be no need for them to infiltrate our universities. Hopefully the same open culture can be introduced in China/across all nations.

timbo1642 3y ago
Stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. You don't understand R&D costs tons of money that us taxpayers are paying. Why should be give that info to our enemies? Or even our friends? We shouldn't, it stupid thinking. They would never share with us even if we did with them. That's now how the real world works, just in your imaginary "love and peace" world you made up in your head. R&D is exactly why some countries are more successful and why some aren't. Why some sell things like technology and some are poor as shit.
ImJamal 3y ago
Wasn't that the argument for opening up trade with China? If we trade with them surely they will become a liberal democracy.
- Racing0461 3y ago
  The reason trade was open with china was lower labor costs. > they will become a liberal democracy. is just what they told the commoners. (ie you and i)
  - VK538FY 3y ago
    Exactly. But I'd also add that China surely performed a fair amount of 'lobbying' (cash in envelopes, disinterested campaign contributions, girls in hotel rooms) to facilitate understanding the benefits of Chinese manufacturing. I'm not anti China, but realistic. You use whatever arms at your disposal.
47393ii4 3y ago
What does introducing the same culture look like? It seems given that if we just hand everything over they'd have no reason to spy but it's less clear what would incentivize them to do the same or why combatting espionage is to cumbersome to continue.
- DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
  Most scientific research is published openly, for everyone in the world to see. This is also true of scientific research conducted in China. Chinese institutions are now among the largest generators of scientific papers in the world (including in top journals, which is an indication that there is a large amount of high-quality research coming out of China these days).

by _lvbh 3y ago

timbo1642 3y ago

Stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life. You don't understand R&D costs tons of money that us taxpayers are paying. Why should be give that info to our enemies? Or even our friends? We shouldn't, it stupid thinking. They would never share with us even if we did with them. That's now how the real world works, just in your imaginary "love and peace" world you made up in your head. R&D is exactly why some countries are more successful and why some aren't. Why some sell things like technology and some are poor as shit.

ImJamal 3y ago

Wasn't that the argument for opening up trade with China? If we trade with them surely they will become a liberal democracy.

Racing0461 3y ago
The reason trade was open with china was lower labor costs. > they will become a liberal democracy. is just what they told the commoners. (ie you and i)
- VK538FY 3y ago
  Exactly. But I'd also add that China surely performed a fair amount of 'lobbying' (cash in envelopes, disinterested campaign contributions, girls in hotel rooms) to facilitate understanding the benefits of Chinese manufacturing. I'm not anti China, but realistic. You use whatever arms at your disposal.

47393ii4 3y ago

What does introducing the same culture look like? It seems given that if we just hand everything over they'd have no reason to spy but it's less clear what would incentivize them to do the same or why combatting espionage is to cumbersome to continue.

DiogenesKynikos 3y ago
Most scientific research is published openly, for everyone in the world to see. This is also true of scientific research conducted in China. Chinese institutions are now among the largest generators of scientific papers in the world (including in top journals, which is an indication that there is a large amount of high-quality research coming out of China these days).