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It’s your behaviour I find far more in line with a bully. “I want what you have and I’m going to take it from you in any way I desire regardless of your though

It’s your behaviour I find far more in line with a bully. “I want what you have and I’m going to take it from you in any way I desire regardless of your thoughts on the matter”

matheusmoreira 3y ago
"I gave my product away for free, bundled it with some garbage no one cares about because they paid me to do it and am now angry because people are throwing the garbage in the trash where it belongs and the garbage men don't want to pay me anymore."
- genocidicbunny 3y ago
  Even more so. You gave me a product, and I took parts of it and threw it away. Once you gave it to me, your right to define what I do with it ended in my mind -- or to put it more concretely for Youtube, you sent me the bytes, I ignored some of them. That is my right and prerogative as the owner of the computer. Don't want me to ignore any of the bytes, don't send me any of them.
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    Exactly. We own the machine, in its realm we are gods. We dictate what it does or doesn't do. If it is our will that ads not be displayed on our screens, then by god it's not going to happen. It's actually offensive that these corporations even think they have any say at all about what goes on in our machines. The nerve.
    - genocidicbunny 3y ago
      I'm more offended at the people that support said corporations -- I can understand the profit motive for the corporation, but not prostrating yourself to them. To think that it should be okay to be forced to pay a month sub to a megacorp to control what I do with my computer, my hardware...is unappealing.
      - matheusmoreira 3y ago
        Always nice to find like-minded people on this site. You might enjoy this mantra I like to recite in every ad blocking thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38329083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38329083 Refined these over years here by discussing the subject with like-minded people. I always post smaller versions of it when people start trying to shame us for not tolerating ads.
        genocidicbunny 3y ago
        > Always nice to find like-minded people on this site. There might even be more than two of us! HN unfortunately due to it's inherent bias (vis-a-vis their origin/benefactors/audience) will tend to skew a little more against this train of thought. > You might enjoy this mantra I like to recite in every ad blocking thread: I agree with the vast majority, but some of the phrasing I think betrays a certain militantness on the issue that might turn people off. Specifically, your point about it being mind rape. I agree with the point you try to make with that, but that can conflate it with some other unsavoury topics that make it easier to try to attack your argument. The way I see it, it's not quite mind rape, but it is assault and battery on the dignity of the human mind.
        matheusmoreira 3y ago
        > There might even be more than two of us! There are many. Someone here once told a tale of a hero who picked up a paintball gun and drove around the city blasting billboards. A brazilian city banned billboards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cidade_Limpa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cidade_Limpa https://99percentinvisible.org/article/clean-city-law-secrets-sao-paulo-uncovered-outdoor-advertising-ban/ https://99percentinvisible.org/article/clean-city-law-secret... I want to propose a similar law for my own city. The advertising is obnoxious. > assault and battery on the dignity of the human mind Agreed.

It’s your behaviour I find far more in line with a bully. “I want what you have and I’m going to take it from you in any way I desire regardless of your thoughts on the matter”

matheusmoreira 3y ago

"I gave my product away for free, bundled it with some garbage no one cares about because they paid me to do it and am now angry because people are throwing the garbage in the trash where it belongs and the garbage men don't want to pay me anymore."

genocidicbunny 3y ago
Even more so. You gave me a product, and I took parts of it and threw it away. Once you gave it to me, your right to define what I do with it ended in my mind -- or to put it more concretely for Youtube, you sent me the bytes, I ignored some of them. That is my right and prerogative as the owner of the computer. Don't want me to ignore any of the bytes, don't send me any of them.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  Exactly. We own the machine, in its realm we are gods. We dictate what it does or doesn't do. If it is our will that ads not be displayed on our screens, then by god it's not going to happen. It's actually offensive that these corporations even think they have any say at all about what goes on in our machines. The nerve.
  - genocidicbunny 3y ago
    I'm more offended at the people that support said corporations -- I can understand the profit motive for the corporation, but not prostrating yourself to them. To think that it should be okay to be forced to pay a month sub to a megacorp to control what I do with my computer, my hardware...is unappealing.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      Always nice to find like-minded people on this site. You might enjoy this mantra I like to recite in every ad blocking thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38329083 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38329083 Refined these over years here by discussing the subject with like-minded people. I always post smaller versions of it when people start trying to shame us for not tolerating ads.
      - genocidicbunny 3y ago
        > Always nice to find like-minded people on this site. There might even be more than two of us! HN unfortunately due to it's inherent bias (vis-a-vis their origin/benefactors/audience) will tend to skew a little more against this train of thought. > You might enjoy this mantra I like to recite in every ad blocking thread: I agree with the vast majority, but some of the phrasing I think betrays a certain militantness on the issue that might turn people off. Specifically, your point about it being mind rape. I agree with the point you try to make with that, but that can conflate it with some other unsavoury topics that make it easier to try to attack your argument. The way I see it, it's not quite mind rape, but it is assault and battery on the dignity of the human mind.
        matheusmoreira 3y ago
        > There might even be more than two of us! There are many. Someone here once told a tale of a hero who picked up a paintball gun and drove around the city blasting billboards. A brazilian city banned billboards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cidade_Limpa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cidade_Limpa https://99percentinvisible.org/article/clean-city-law-secrets-sao-paulo-uncovered-outdoor-advertising-ban/ https://99percentinvisible.org/article/clean-city-law-secret... I want to propose a similar law for my own city. The advertising is obnoxious. > assault and battery on the dignity of the human mind Agreed.