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I (Firefox+uBlock Origin on FreeBSD, Windows 10, Rocky, CentOS), logged in, have not encountered this yet. I also run a small channel mostly with ROIO bootlegs

I (Firefox+uBlock Origin on FreeBSD, Windows 10, Rocky, CentOS), logged in, have not encountered this yet. I also run a small channel mostly with ROIO bootlegs. The channel has never been penalized, it has a small but growing user base, and all the videos have been monetized by someone else. I also sometimes watch a video from my cellphone where the ads run. These might be the factors why I still didn't get the Youtube stick. P.S they've been monetized by companies that have no rights to monetize them whatsoever. However I have no rights over the material and if legal holders wish to battle the record companies that hogged my videos, that's great. If I have a recording of TV broadcast of singer-songwriter playing his material in a public festival, the record label that paid and released studio version of those songs has no stake in that. There can be a complex contract between broadcaster, festival and the performer, but I'm sure record company is not part of it unless it has explicitly funded the festival or the broadcast, which is a rarity, not applicable to my videos. The algorithm IDs these tracks as studio versions or as official live version which then trigger "ownership" by those record companies. So let's not pretend Youtube is some fair entity that needs to be paid fairly. They don't play fair themselves.

robertlagrant 3y ago
> So let's not pretend Youtube is some fair entity that needs to be paid fairly. They don't play fair themselves. If you want to use a service in a way that the service provider doesn't want you to, I think it's best to just say so. It's obvious there's a difference between things that are hard to figure out automatically, and deliberately not playing fair.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Fair is subjective.
- zare_st 3y ago
  I'm using a public website the way I want to, by having control over its network requests and visual elements. If they don't like that, they have venues. One of them is paywall, the other is move to closed ecosystem with proprietary service client. Both would have huge negative impact on the business. So they need to cope with downsides on hosting their service over an open standard in an open ecosystem, where power users can and will take control of how their devices are rendering the content.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    I understand. I regularly go and pick flowers from a display in a public park to keep inside my house. There's nothing they can do. My point is that there's no point pretending we're righting any injustices, or the organisations we do this to deserve this behaviour. We do it because we it's hard to stop us, and there's nothing inside us stopping us from gaining from another's effort.
    - zare_st 3y ago
      Your analogy is typical for anti-piracy talk and it's bogus. If you pick out flowers from public park, the park is left without flowers. End of story.
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robertlagrant 3y ago

> So let's not pretend Youtube is some fair entity that needs to be paid fairly. They don't play fair themselves. If you want to use a service in a way that the service provider doesn't want you to, I think it's best to just say so. It's obvious there's a difference between things that are hard to figure out automatically, and deliberately not playing fair.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Fair is subjective.
zare_st 3y ago
I'm using a public website the way I want to, by having control over its network requests and visual elements. If they don't like that, they have venues. One of them is paywall, the other is move to closed ecosystem with proprietary service client. Both would have huge negative impact on the business. So they need to cope with downsides on hosting their service over an open standard in an open ecosystem, where power users can and will take control of how their devices are rendering the content.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  I understand. I regularly go and pick flowers from a display in a public park to keep inside my house. There's nothing they can do. My point is that there's no point pretending we're righting any injustices, or the organisations we do this to deserve this behaviour. We do it because we it's hard to stop us, and there's nothing inside us stopping us from gaining from another's effort.
  - zare_st 3y ago
    Your analogy is typical for anti-piracy talk and it's bogus. If you pick out flowers from public park, the park is left without flowers. End of story.

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