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YouTube Premium is a top 5, maybe top 3 subscription service that I pay for. Others in that tier would be Amazon Prime, Apple One+, NYT Crosswords, and 1Passwor

YouTube Premium is a top 5, maybe top 3 subscription service that I pay for. Others in that tier would be Amazon Prime, Apple One+, NYT Crosswords, and 1Password. Watching on every device without praying that this week’s ridiculous workaround continues to function for only like $15/month feels like a bargain.

EGreg 3y ago
and that's how they get you :-) Remember folks... when running away from a bear you don't have to outrun everyone, just the slowest person And similarly, to get people or organizations to pay, you just have to make it much more expensive for them at every moment to hack or fork your service than just pay you. It gets harder the bigger the organization is, but works like a charm on the long tail! If you've got an open source platform, it's a major consideration because a competitor can just fork your service and start offering it. So you have to have enough of a network effect and lock-in (e.g. ethereum nodes only taking ethereum gas as payment) that the fork is not as accepted for years, despite being faster and better (e.g. polygon). You can centralize trust (Amazon), Liquidity (exchanges) and ease-of-use through vertical integration (Apple).
yurishimo 3y ago
Same. I figure that since I watch this much YouTube, it’s probably worth paying for. At the moment, the rev share seems to be _okay_ compared to other creator platforms, so I take that bit of solace as well.
conradfr 3y ago
That's fine but all the streaming platforms get more expensive every x months nowadays.
- paulcole 3y ago
  Is it too expensive today? If not, sign up and then cancel when it gets too expensive. Plus at work, I get a raise every x months nowadays, too. Gotta spend it on something.
genocidicbunny 3y ago
I wouldn't be able to enjoy my usage of it. I have a strong moral objection to ads, so to me paying to get rid of ads is akin to paying off the bully so they will stop beating you up. Next week they might decide you haven't paid enough, or that it doesn't even matter that you paid up -- they're bored and want to beat someone up. I'd rather give the bully a whack in balls instead.
- sanswork 3y ago
  Asking people to provide compensation for a service isn't bullying. They even give you a choice on how you pay. You hate ads, they give you an option to avoid them and now you hate paying to avoid them. You're trying to makes yourself sound self righteous and you just sound like you believe you are entitled to others resources.
  - genocidicbunny 3y ago
    I'm not trying to be righteous, my moral compass is mine. I'd be fine with YouTube being a purely paid service. Either pay, or the server returns a 500. I might even be willing to pay for it then, knowing that the only ads i might encounter are sponsor segments in the video themselves (that i can also skip right on by.)
    - sanswork 3y ago
      You're trying to ascribe your actions to a moral cause instead of a financial one.
      - genocidicbunny 3y ago
        You're trying to ascribe my actions to a financial cause instead of a moral one. Luckily for me, the only one that knows what to ascribe my actions to is..me.
        sanswork 3y ago
djur 3y ago
I agree. If you watch a lot of YouTube it's a great deal. Way cheaper than cable.
idonotknowwhy 3y ago
I'm happy to pay for it, but I don't always want to be logged in and gave an echo chamber created for me. When I'm not logged in, I don't want to watch ads
- lern_too_spel 3y ago
  For other video services, when you're not logged in, you can't watch at all. Nothing's stopping you from treating YouTube the same way.
fnordpiglet 3y ago
I don’t mind giving money in exchange for useful services. I pay for YouTube because I recognize they need money through some channel, and I’d rather I just be up front and pay them for their service. Likewise I pay for Kagi, protonmail, Disney+, arstechnica, and a small variety of other service and media providers that provide value to my life. In fact, I would always rather pay up front than have them figure out some way to exploit me to fund their operations. I don’t mind they offer alternative ways of monetizing than a subscription. A lot of folks can’t afford to pay like I can. But I deeply value the option to pay. I’m not a fan of ad blocking on services you use that offer a pay option. I am fine with blocking in general, but if they offer the chance to just give them your money and you can afford it, you should. Every service should offer a chance to just give them your money instead of data harvesting and ad spamming as the only option. I’m a huge supporter of open source and free software for over 35 years now, but people who make a living off their software, media, art, music, etc, should be supported as well. There’s nothing wrong with making a living doing what you love, but there’s something wrong with expecting people to give you their labors and services for free.
- wintermutestwin 3y ago
  I’m happy to pay for any useful service that does not also track me. Where is the eula that spells out in simple language the details of the devil’s bargain that these data thieves offer? They are selling trinkets to the natives that have no idea what they are giving up.
  - ChickeNES 3y ago
    Then just...don't use the service if you don't like it.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      Nah. We're gonna adversarially interoperate with the service instead. https://www.eff.org/fr/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interoperability https://www.eff.org/fr/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interop...
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PrimeMcFly 3y ago
I mean, there are not workarounds every week. Since Google announced their war on adblockers, I've had to update the 'quick fixes' filter in uBlock Origin exactly once. That's it.

EGreg 3y ago

and that's how they get you :-) Remember folks... when running away from a bear you don't have to outrun everyone, just the slowest person And similarly, to get people or organizations to pay, you just have to make it much more expensive for them at every moment to hack or fork your service than just pay you. It gets harder the bigger the organization is, but works like a charm on the long tail! If you've got an open source platform, it's a major consideration because a competitor can just fork your service and start offering it. So you have to have enough of a network effect and lock-in (e.g. ethereum nodes only taking ethereum gas as payment) that the fork is not as accepted for years, despite being faster and better (e.g. polygon). You can centralize trust (Amazon), Liquidity (exchanges) and ease-of-use through vertical integration (Apple).

yurishimo 3y ago

Same. I figure that since I watch this much YouTube, it’s probably worth paying for. At the moment, the rev share seems to be _okay_ compared to other creator platforms, so I take that bit of solace as well.

conradfr 3y ago

That's fine but all the streaming platforms get more expensive every x months nowadays.

paulcole 3y ago
Is it too expensive today? If not, sign up and then cancel when it gets too expensive. Plus at work, I get a raise every x months nowadays, too. Gotta spend it on something.

genocidicbunny 3y ago

I wouldn't be able to enjoy my usage of it. I have a strong moral objection to ads, so to me paying to get rid of ads is akin to paying off the bully so they will stop beating you up. Next week they might decide you haven't paid enough, or that it doesn't even matter that you paid up -- they're bored and want to beat someone up. I'd rather give the bully a whack in balls instead.

sanswork 3y ago
Asking people to provide compensation for a service isn't bullying. They even give you a choice on how you pay. You hate ads, they give you an option to avoid them and now you hate paying to avoid them. You're trying to makes yourself sound self righteous and you just sound like you believe you are entitled to others resources.
- genocidicbunny 3y ago
  I'm not trying to be righteous, my moral compass is mine. I'd be fine with YouTube being a purely paid service. Either pay, or the server returns a 500. I might even be willing to pay for it then, knowing that the only ads i might encounter are sponsor segments in the video themselves (that i can also skip right on by.)
  - sanswork 3y ago
    You're trying to ascribe your actions to a moral cause instead of a financial one.
    - genocidicbunny 3y ago
      You're trying to ascribe my actions to a financial cause instead of a moral one. Luckily for me, the only one that knows what to ascribe my actions to is..me.
      - sanswork 3y ago

djur 3y ago

I agree. If you watch a lot of YouTube it's a great deal. Way cheaper than cable.

idonotknowwhy 3y ago

I'm happy to pay for it, but I don't always want to be logged in and gave an echo chamber created for me. When I'm not logged in, I don't want to watch ads

lern_too_spel 3y ago
For other video services, when you're not logged in, you can't watch at all. Nothing's stopping you from treating YouTube the same way.

fnordpiglet 3y ago

I don’t mind giving money in exchange for useful services. I pay for YouTube because I recognize they need money through some channel, and I’d rather I just be up front and pay them for their service. Likewise I pay for Kagi, protonmail, Disney+, arstechnica, and a small variety of other service and media providers that provide value to my life. In fact, I would always rather pay up front than have them figure out some way to exploit me to fund their operations. I don’t mind they offer alternative ways of monetizing than a subscription. A lot of folks can’t afford to pay like I can. But I deeply value the option to pay. I’m not a fan of ad blocking on services you use that offer a pay option. I am fine with blocking in general, but if they offer the chance to just give them your money and you can afford it, you should. Every service should offer a chance to just give them your money instead of data harvesting and ad spamming as the only option. I’m a huge supporter of open source and free software for over 35 years now, but people who make a living off their software, media, art, music, etc, should be supported as well. There’s nothing wrong with making a living doing what you love, but there’s something wrong with expecting people to give you their labors and services for free.

wintermutestwin 3y ago
I’m happy to pay for any useful service that does not also track me. Where is the eula that spells out in simple language the details of the devil’s bargain that these data thieves offer? They are selling trinkets to the natives that have no idea what they are giving up.
- ChickeNES 3y ago
  Then just...don't use the service if you don't like it.
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    Nah. We're gonna adversarially interoperate with the service instead. https://www.eff.org/fr/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interoperability https://www.eff.org/fr/deeplinks/2019/10/adversarial-interop...

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PrimeMcFly 3y ago

I mean, there are not workarounds every week. Since Google announced their war on adblockers, I've had to update the 'quick fixes' filter in uBlock Origin exactly once. That's it.