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Doesn't the second kind apply to AI in military drones? Companies like OpenAI talking about AI safety is a nice way of numbing us to AI used in actual killing m

Doesn't the second kind apply to AI in military drones? Companies like OpenAI talking about AI safety is a nice way of numbing us to AI used in actual killing machines. https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2023/08/03/artificial-intelligence-flies-xq-58a-valkyrie-drone/ https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2023/08/03/artificial-i... https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/10/17/ukraines-ai-drones-seek-and-attack-russian-forces-without-human-oversight/?sh=46bd59f366da https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/10/17/ukrain...

jacquesm 3y ago
Killbots are trivial and probably don't even need AGI.
- kragen 3y ago
  sure, a landmine is a killbot. a control system with any kind of weapon can kill people but intelligence is much more important than weapons. you can make sure they don't get away or turn the weapons against you if you can outsmart them. also you can kill the people you intend to kill, instead of somebody else, which is fundamental if you have objectives other than racking up a high body count. finally, intelligence is how you make weapons in the first place
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    No, a killbot is a way to kill parties while trying to reduce the number of 'false positives', aka collateral damage. But because a killbot does that the result then is that you get far more deployment and eventually the collateral damage in total rises because the weapon is seen as effective. That's why killbots are bad.
    - kragen 3y ago
      that is certainly a very plausible and worrisome risk, and i agree that facial recognition doesn't require strong ai but i think there are other, possibly larger risks that result from strong ai in weapons, and plausible incentives to put it there
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        Can you give some examples of those risks?
        kragen 3y ago
        like biological weapons, its collateral damage might be a lot less predictable, because it's hard to predict what someone who's smarter than you will do
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- pixl97 3y ago
  The term you are missing here is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_chain https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_chain The thing that does the killing in a military is just a tiny part of the total functionality. As you say it doesn't need to be that smart. Picking the targets and figuring out what is going on without your enemies knowing they are being watched is the much larger part of the kill chain. There is ample room for AGI here.
cyanydeez 3y ago
or just more mundate overt racism, sexism, and re-enforcement of business capitalism.

jacquesm 3y ago

Killbots are trivial and probably don't even need AGI.

kragen 3y ago
sure, a landmine is a killbot. a control system with any kind of weapon can kill people but intelligence is much more important than weapons. you can make sure they don't get away or turn the weapons against you if you can outsmart them. also you can kill the people you intend to kill, instead of somebody else, which is fundamental if you have objectives other than racking up a high body count. finally, intelligence is how you make weapons in the first place
- jacquesm 3y ago
  No, a killbot is a way to kill parties while trying to reduce the number of 'false positives', aka collateral damage. But because a killbot does that the result then is that you get far more deployment and eventually the collateral damage in total rises because the weapon is seen as effective. That's why killbots are bad.
  - kragen 3y ago
    that is certainly a very plausible and worrisome risk, and i agree that facial recognition doesn't require strong ai but i think there are other, possibly larger risks that result from strong ai in weapons, and plausible incentives to put it there
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      Can you give some examples of those risks?
      - kragen 3y ago
        like biological weapons, its collateral damage might be a lot less predictable, because it's hard to predict what someone who's smarter than you will do
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pixl97 3y ago
The term you are missing here is https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_chain https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_chain The thing that does the killing in a military is just a tiny part of the total functionality. As you say it doesn't need to be that smart. Picking the targets and figuring out what is going on without your enemies knowing they are being watched is the much larger part of the kill chain. There is ample room for AGI here.

cyanydeez 3y ago

or just more mundate overt racism, sexism, and re-enforcement of business capitalism.