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Ok. Goodbye chrome. I will be switching to whatever privacy-focused browser allows me to keep not seeing ads. I do wonder how long it will be before we see b

Ok. Goodbye chrome. I will be switching to whatever privacy-focused browser allows me to keep not seeing ads. I do wonder how long it will be before we see browser browsers, software that takes a browser instance and sanitizes it. Maybe chrome will continue as a daemon allowed to run inside a sandbox within a browser's browser that actually displays content to a human.

vlod 3y ago
Welcome to Firefox. We have cookies!
- eastbound 3y ago
  And ads! Mandatory shortcuts for Nike and Amazon on the homepage! Then ads saying Big Browser Watches For You! Then ads saying we respect privacy! Then a suggestion to open a Mozilla account and synchronize all your history! Because we respect privacy!
  - treyd 3y ago
    Use a non-Mozilla Firefox fork, there's several.
  - vlod 3y ago
    Errh... I don't see them on mine. Maybe I removed them or something. If so, it was relatively easy.
  - avtar 3y ago
    Why not change your homepage to something you prefer? And don’t create or sign into a Mozilla account; host your own sync server instead https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34674569 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34674569
  - idonotknowwhy 3y ago
    2 clicks to turn them off mate.
    - eastbound 3y ago
      I’ve searched for so long that I found the documentation of Mozilla saying, on the day of the release, that no, the shortcuts on the home page, can’t be removed. Today I can see that the ads shortcuts can be removed: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/sponsor-privacy https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/sponsor-privacy Unfortunately, Firefox is still an ads machine. They keep coming up with “WE PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY” dark patterns to make us gobble up ads. The worst is getting downvotes every time we point this out. Firefox defenders are extremely bad-faithed, they can’t have a rational discussion about Firefox having mere drawbacks, especially they can’t hear that Firefox misdirects users about privacy and ads.
      - vikaveri 3y ago
        Who's we?
      - vlod 3y ago
        > The worst is getting downvotes every time we point this out I didn't down vote you. No solution is 100% perfect in the tech world. I won't knock them for trying to make some money to keep afloat, even if they aren't (probably) the best at managing money. I care if I can't turn them off. As you've pointed out, you can do that. There's no date on your referenced article (pet peeve), so I can't tell when it was done. However it's been a long time (so much I so, I can't even remember) that I've seen ads that I couldn't turn off.
  - Sabinus 3y ago
    Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
  - mkl 3y ago
    Firefox sync uses end-to-end encryption: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-firefox-sync-keeps-your-data-safe-even-if-tls-fails https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-firefox-sync-keeps-..., https://github.com/mozilla/fxa-auth-server/wiki/onepw-protocol https://github.com/mozilla/fxa-auth-server/wiki/onepw-protoc.... There's nothing mandatory about the initial shortcuts - just remove them. It's trivial to change your search engine to Duck Duck Go too.
- PoignardAzur 3y ago
  Well yes, but the point is we don't have too much of them.
antonok 3y ago
Why not, I'll make a pitch for Brave here too. We have the only EasyList-compatible adblocker that isn't based on an extension platform. Yes, there is in-browser private advertising with user revenue share, but all of it can be disabled too if you prefer.
- lern_too_spel 3y ago
  The ads for cryptocurrency grifts in the settings cannot be disabled.
  - antonok 3y ago
    Can you be more specific? There are admittedly lots of settings menus, but to my knowledge there are no ads inside the settings menus.
    - lern_too_spel 3y ago
      There are two top-level settings categories advertising the cryptogrift. Brave Rewards and Wallet. Brave Rewards is the second settings category, right after Shields. https://global.discourse-cdn.com/brave/original/3X/6/d/6dc62d4df419773335d09c713969b1a5a3943724.jpeg https://global.discourse-cdn.com/brave/original/3X/6/d/6dc62...
- insickness 3y ago
  Since Brave is Chrome-based, won't it be affected by Chrome's limitations on ad-blockers?
  - antonok 3y ago
    Brave's built-in adblocker will not be affected, since it doesn't rely on any extension APIs. We'll also be continuing support for Mv2, in case you prefer to use uBO or other pre-Mv3 adblock extensions.
stalfosknight 3y ago
Welcome to Safari!

vlod 3y ago

Welcome to Firefox. We have cookies!

eastbound 3y ago
And ads! Mandatory shortcuts for Nike and Amazon on the homepage! Then ads saying Big Browser Watches For You! Then ads saying we respect privacy! Then a suggestion to open a Mozilla account and synchronize all your history! Because we respect privacy!
- treyd 3y ago
  Use a non-Mozilla Firefox fork, there's several.
- vlod 3y ago
  Errh... I don't see them on mine. Maybe I removed them or something. If so, it was relatively easy.
- avtar 3y ago
  Why not change your homepage to something you prefer? And don’t create or sign into a Mozilla account; host your own sync server instead https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34674569 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34674569
- idonotknowwhy 3y ago
  2 clicks to turn them off mate.
  - eastbound 3y ago
    I’ve searched for so long that I found the documentation of Mozilla saying, on the day of the release, that no, the shortcuts on the home page, can’t be removed. Today I can see that the ads shortcuts can be removed: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/sponsor-privacy https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/sponsor-privacy Unfortunately, Firefox is still an ads machine. They keep coming up with “WE PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY” dark patterns to make us gobble up ads. The worst is getting downvotes every time we point this out. Firefox defenders are extremely bad-faithed, they can’t have a rational discussion about Firefox having mere drawbacks, especially they can’t hear that Firefox misdirects users about privacy and ads.
    - vikaveri 3y ago
      Who's we?
    - vlod 3y ago
      > The worst is getting downvotes every time we point this out I didn't down vote you. No solution is 100% perfect in the tech world. I won't knock them for trying to make some money to keep afloat, even if they aren't (probably) the best at managing money. I care if I can't turn them off. As you've pointed out, you can do that. There's no date on your referenced article (pet peeve), so I can't tell when it was done. However it's been a long time (so much I so, I can't even remember) that I've seen ads that I couldn't turn off.
- Sabinus 3y ago
  Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
- mkl 3y ago
  Firefox sync uses end-to-end encryption: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-firefox-sync-keeps-your-data-safe-even-if-tls-fails https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-firefox-sync-keeps-..., https://github.com/mozilla/fxa-auth-server/wiki/onepw-protocol https://github.com/mozilla/fxa-auth-server/wiki/onepw-protoc.... There's nothing mandatory about the initial shortcuts - just remove them. It's trivial to change your search engine to Duck Duck Go too.
PoignardAzur 3y ago
Well yes, but the point is we don't have too much of them.

antonok 3y ago

Why not, I'll make a pitch for Brave here too. We have the only EasyList-compatible adblocker that isn't based on an extension platform. Yes, there is in-browser private advertising with user revenue share, but all of it can be disabled too if you prefer.

lern_too_spel 3y ago
The ads for cryptocurrency grifts in the settings cannot be disabled.
- antonok 3y ago
  Can you be more specific? There are admittedly lots of settings menus, but to my knowledge there are no ads inside the settings menus.
  - lern_too_spel 3y ago
    There are two top-level settings categories advertising the cryptogrift. Brave Rewards and Wallet. Brave Rewards is the second settings category, right after Shields. https://global.discourse-cdn.com/brave/original/3X/6/d/6dc62d4df419773335d09c713969b1a5a3943724.jpeg https://global.discourse-cdn.com/brave/original/3X/6/d/6dc62...
insickness 3y ago
Since Brave is Chrome-based, won't it be affected by Chrome's limitations on ad-blockers?
- antonok 3y ago
  Brave's built-in adblocker will not be affected, since it doesn't rely on any extension APIs. We'll also be continuing support for Mv2, in case you prefer to use uBO or other pre-Mv3 adblock extensions.

stalfosknight 3y ago

Welcome to Safari!