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I would never be on board with such a thing. Because even if I were to be backed up, I wouldn't get to experience the simulation. I would experience death, and

I would never be on board with such a thing. Because even if I were to be backed up, I wouldn't get to experience the simulation. I would experience death, and then a backup would experience the simulation. SOMA is a great game that touches on this topic, btw. It's like a movie, so watching a playthrough is almost as good as the game itself.

brhsagain 3y ago
Someday we may be able revive the brain itself by connecting it to a body, in which case you would experience falling asleep and waking back up.
- fu7kt 3y ago
  Or you end up with a pile of dead wolverines in the fish tank in your basement.
  - catchnear4321 3y ago
    there’s your problem right there. wolverines don’t breath water. you gotta leave them out of the fish tank.
- LoganDark 3y ago
  I'd love to wake back up in a non-human body, honestly. That could, theoretically, be a way to appease those who suffer from species dysphoria. Not any time soon, though. I'm not sure if there have been any studies on it yet - people are only just starting to recognize gender dysphoria as a legitimate condition. Species dysphoria probably sounds utterly insane.
  - Reyka9 3y ago
    I assume you're a therian? I don't experience either gender or species dysphoria, but that seems like a way to "cure" species dysphoria, unlike gender dysphoria which is actually workable. I know a few therians and really feel for them, having such a condition and not being able to do much of anything doesn't sound like a fun existence.
    - LoganDark 3y ago
      I don't identify therian, but I am otherkin. You're right that this is incurable right now. There's no "species transition" like there is HRT or SRS. It's only coping mechanisms right now. Trying to find ways to be less disordered and all. I've been trying to find my way since childhood, but it's taking a while. Hopefully I figure it out eventually. Having DID as well certainly doesn't help. It's not a fun existence in and of itself, but I still have my fun every now and then. Feel free to contact me directly if you'd like to talk more.
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netsharc 3y ago
> I would experience death, and then a backup would experience the simulation. But would it even know it's a backup? If it (or say, "he") has your memories, he will remember your first kiss as his first kiss, he'll look at your SO and feel the feelings you have looking at your SO, and think "Oh, let me greet them the way I usually do, 'What's up buttercup?'.". I think we're just the sum of our memories, and if the memories are identical, wouldn't it add up to the same person?
- LoganDark 3y ago
  It's not that the backup will somehow not be identical to me. It's that I won't get to experience waking up as the backup. It'll be a different being, that just so happens to be a perfect clone. It's basically like the teleporter that deconstructs you and then reconstructs you somewhere else. You get to experience waking into one end and then you die. Your life is over. The fact that something walks out the other end doesn't matter anymore. Even if to an outside observer it'll be indistinguishable from you simply having moved - the clone will even describe the experience of moving - you are now dead.
  - netsharc 3y ago
    > It'll be a different being, that just so happens to be a perfect clone. But will you even be aware of that? > Even if to an outside observer it'll be indistinguishable from you And how about the inside observer? I used to think like you do. But now I think, Logan2 will have your memory, it should even think "well that's done, now where's my wife, she said she'll meet me and after this procedure we'll go get ice cream.". Or things like "Ah yeah I got to deal with my brother, he said something hurtful and we need to fix this conflict.". And your "soul" should not notice anything being different. If the copies are identical, shouldn't they generate the same thoughts, be triggered by the same things, like the smell of the wife's perfume or be e.g. irrationally angry at someone revving their car, and are we aware enough to think "Hang on, something's different?". To be technical about it, it's like having a virtual machine's state be copied onto a new host system, I think even the process called awareness or soul is a result of our software/hardware configuration, and nothing external, and the awareness would be an identical copy.
dudul 3y ago
True but SOMA itself contradicts your statement since there is a point where you continue playing as a "backup" and it even takes a moment for the character to realize what happened. The copy doesn't feel like he's a copy.
- LoganDark 3y ago
  It does not. I do not care how the copy feels as I will still be dead. Even if the copy gets to live out life exactly how I would have, as if I really had just moved, I still died. I left a comment elsewhere in the thread about the teleporter that deconstructs you and then reconstructs you somewhere else. That's what this would be like.

brhsagain 3y ago

Someday we may be able revive the brain itself by connecting it to a body, in which case you would experience falling asleep and waking back up.

fu7kt 3y ago
Or you end up with a pile of dead wolverines in the fish tank in your basement.
- catchnear4321 3y ago
  there’s your problem right there. wolverines don’t breath water. you gotta leave them out of the fish tank.
LoganDark 3y ago
I'd love to wake back up in a non-human body, honestly. That could, theoretically, be a way to appease those who suffer from species dysphoria. Not any time soon, though. I'm not sure if there have been any studies on it yet - people are only just starting to recognize gender dysphoria as a legitimate condition. Species dysphoria probably sounds utterly insane.
- Reyka9 3y ago
  I assume you're a therian? I don't experience either gender or species dysphoria, but that seems like a way to "cure" species dysphoria, unlike gender dysphoria which is actually workable. I know a few therians and really feel for them, having such a condition and not being able to do much of anything doesn't sound like a fun existence.
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    I don't identify therian, but I am otherkin. You're right that this is incurable right now. There's no "species transition" like there is HRT or SRS. It's only coping mechanisms right now. Trying to find ways to be less disordered and all. I've been trying to find my way since childhood, but it's taking a while. Hopefully I figure it out eventually. Having DID as well certainly doesn't help. It's not a fun existence in and of itself, but I still have my fun every now and then. Feel free to contact me directly if you'd like to talk more.
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netsharc 3y ago

> I would experience death, and then a backup would experience the simulation. But would it even know it's a backup? If it (or say, "he") has your memories, he will remember your first kiss as his first kiss, he'll look at your SO and feel the feelings you have looking at your SO, and think "Oh, let me greet them the way I usually do, 'What's up buttercup?'.". I think we're just the sum of our memories, and if the memories are identical, wouldn't it add up to the same person?

LoganDark 3y ago
It's not that the backup will somehow not be identical to me. It's that I won't get to experience waking up as the backup. It'll be a different being, that just so happens to be a perfect clone. It's basically like the teleporter that deconstructs you and then reconstructs you somewhere else. You get to experience waking into one end and then you die. Your life is over. The fact that something walks out the other end doesn't matter anymore. Even if to an outside observer it'll be indistinguishable from you simply having moved - the clone will even describe the experience of moving - you are now dead.
- netsharc 3y ago
  > It'll be a different being, that just so happens to be a perfect clone. But will you even be aware of that? > Even if to an outside observer it'll be indistinguishable from you And how about the inside observer? I used to think like you do. But now I think, Logan2 will have your memory, it should even think "well that's done, now where's my wife, she said she'll meet me and after this procedure we'll go get ice cream.". Or things like "Ah yeah I got to deal with my brother, he said something hurtful and we need to fix this conflict.". And your "soul" should not notice anything being different. If the copies are identical, shouldn't they generate the same thoughts, be triggered by the same things, like the smell of the wife's perfume or be e.g. irrationally angry at someone revving their car, and are we aware enough to think "Hang on, something's different?". To be technical about it, it's like having a virtual machine's state be copied onto a new host system, I think even the process called awareness or soul is a result of our software/hardware configuration, and nothing external, and the awareness would be an identical copy.

dudul 3y ago

True but SOMA itself contradicts your statement since there is a point where you continue playing as a "backup" and it even takes a moment for the character to realize what happened. The copy doesn't feel like he's a copy.

LoganDark 3y ago
It does not. I do not care how the copy feels as I will still be dead. Even if the copy gets to live out life exactly how I would have, as if I really had just moved, I still died. I left a comment elsewhere in the thread about the teleporter that deconstructs you and then reconstructs you somewhere else. That's what this would be like.