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This is very reminiscent of the Dash controversy from a few years ago. In that case Apple even responded with the details[0] of the developer's transgressions,

This is very reminiscent of the Dash controversy from a few years ago. In that case Apple even responded with the details[0] of the developer's transgressions, after a huge outcry from the app dev community. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12680131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12680131

lapcat 3y ago
That link is very very far from the end of the Dash story, which includes the developer recording a phone call with Apple. See extensive coverage by Michael Tsai: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/10/apple-and-kapeli-respond/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/10/apple-and-kapeli-respond/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-the-app-store/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-t... Dash for macOS continues to this day, though not in the App Store.
- woadwarrior01 3y ago
  That very much was the end of the developer's sales of the Dash app on the Mac App Store and the iOS App Store. Apple decided to respond publicly only after he published the recording of the phone call with the Apple rep. John Gruber had a well-balanced coverage[1] of the whole story. He continues to sell it directly[2] and on Setapp[3], and has lately pivoted to the subscription-ware revenue model. [1]: https://daringfireball.net/2016/10/apple_dash_controversy https://daringfireball.net/2016/10/apple_dash_controversy [2]: https://kapeli.com/dash https://kapeli.com/dash [3]: https://setapp.com/apps/dash https://setapp.com/apps/dash
  - lapcat 3y ago
    > That very much was the end of the developer's sales of the Dash app on the Mac App Store and the iOS App Store. Incorrect. I already gave a link showing that Dash returned to the iOS App Store: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-the-app-store/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-t... Technically, it was the end of "sales" in the iOS App Store, because the developer had already open-sourced Dash for iOS and made it free: https://github.com/Kapeli/Dash-iOS https://github.com/Kapeli/Dash-iOS Nonetheless, it's indisputable that Apple approved Dash to be in the iOS App Store in 2017. > Apple decided to respond publicly only after he published the recording of the phone call with the Apple rep. Also incorrect. Compare the timestamps of these tweets: https://twitter.com/theloop/status/785600832335073280 https://twitter.com/theloop/status/785600832335073280 5:00 PM · Oct 10, 2016 https://twitter.com/kapeli/status/785621704081022976 https://twitter.com/kapeli/status/785621704081022976 6:23 PM · Oct 10, 2016 It's also worth noting that selling directly outside the Mac App Store still requires an Apple developer account in order to sign with a Developer ID certificate and notarize the app. It's not surprising, though, that the developer chooses to no longer use the Mac App Store. Again, Michael Tsai's blog post has extensive coverage, including a link to the Daring Fireball post that you linked.
    - woadwarrior01 3y ago
      > Incorrect. I already gave a link showing that Dash returned to the iOS App Store: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-t https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-t... It never did. Please read links before posting them. The original developer open sourced it under a GPL license and a few people decided to re-package it and resell it, in violation of the source code's license. > Also incorrect. Compare the timestamps of these tweets: I stand corrected on that. > It's also worth noting that selling directly outside the Mac App Store still requires an Apple developer account in order to sign with a Developer ID certificate and notarize the app. Indeed.
      - lapcat 3y ago
        > It never did. Please read links before posting them. The original developer open sourced it under a GPL license and a few people decided to re-package it and resell it, in violation of the source code's license. Um, how about you take your own advice? https://twitter.com/kapeli/status/867424309274390529 https://twitter.com/kapeli/status/867424309274390529 "Dash for iOS is back on the App Store and it's completely free" https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-for-ios-back-on-the-app-store https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-for-ios-back-on-the-app-store "TL;DR: Dash for iOS is back on the App Store and it’s completely free." "Quite a few “developers” have even added it to the App Store themselves, violating the GNU GPL license in the process. Apple has been very responsive in removing these apps, but the developers kept adding it back in different shapes and forms and I got tired to fill the same copyright claim forms over and over. I’ve made a personal developer account which Apple accepted and the review for Dash for iOS went through without any issues. I hope this will somewhat stave off the pirated copies of Dash from appearing on the App Store. We’ll see. The macOS version of Dash will continue to be sold exclusively on kapeli.com."
        woadwarrior01 3y ago
        Why is it currently not on the App Store?
        3y ago

lapcat 3y ago

That link is very very far from the end of the Dash story, which includes the developer recording a phone call with Apple. See extensive coverage by Michael Tsai: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/10/apple-and-kapeli-respond/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2016/10/10/apple-and-kapeli-respond/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-the-app-store/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-t... Dash for macOS continues to this day, though not in the App Store.

woadwarrior01 3y ago
That very much was the end of the developer's sales of the Dash app on the Mac App Store and the iOS App Store. Apple decided to respond publicly only after he published the recording of the phone call with the Apple rep. John Gruber had a well-balanced coverage[1] of the whole story. He continues to sell it directly[2] and on Setapp[3], and has lately pivoted to the subscription-ware revenue model. [1]: https://daringfireball.net/2016/10/apple_dash_controversy https://daringfireball.net/2016/10/apple_dash_controversy [2]: https://kapeli.com/dash https://kapeli.com/dash [3]: https://setapp.com/apps/dash https://setapp.com/apps/dash
- lapcat 3y ago
  > That very much was the end of the developer's sales of the Dash app on the Mac App Store and the iOS App Store. Incorrect. I already gave a link showing that Dash returned to the iOS App Store: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-the-app-store/ https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-t... Technically, it was the end of "sales" in the iOS App Store, because the developer had already open-sourced Dash for iOS and made it free: https://github.com/Kapeli/Dash-iOS https://github.com/Kapeli/Dash-iOS Nonetheless, it's indisputable that Apple approved Dash to be in the iOS App Store in 2017. > Apple decided to respond publicly only after he published the recording of the phone call with the Apple rep. Also incorrect. Compare the timestamps of these tweets: https://twitter.com/theloop/status/785600832335073280 https://twitter.com/theloop/status/785600832335073280 5:00 PM · Oct 10, 2016 https://twitter.com/kapeli/status/785621704081022976 https://twitter.com/kapeli/status/785621704081022976 6:23 PM · Oct 10, 2016 It's also worth noting that selling directly outside the Mac App Store still requires an Apple developer account in order to sign with a Developer ID certificate and notarize the app. It's not surprising, though, that the developer chooses to no longer use the Mac App Store. Again, Michael Tsai's blog post has extensive coverage, including a link to the Daring Fireball post that you linked.
  - woadwarrior01 3y ago
    > Incorrect. I already gave a link showing that Dash returned to the iOS App Store: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-t https://mjtsai.com/blog/2017/05/30/dash-for-ios-returns-to-t... It never did. Please read links before posting them. The original developer open sourced it under a GPL license and a few people decided to re-package it and resell it, in violation of the source code's license. > Also incorrect. Compare the timestamps of these tweets: I stand corrected on that. > It's also worth noting that selling directly outside the Mac App Store still requires an Apple developer account in order to sign with a Developer ID certificate and notarize the app. Indeed.
    - lapcat 3y ago
      > It never did. Please read links before posting them. The original developer open sourced it under a GPL license and a few people decided to re-package it and resell it, in violation of the source code's license. Um, how about you take your own advice? https://twitter.com/kapeli/status/867424309274390529 https://twitter.com/kapeli/status/867424309274390529 "Dash for iOS is back on the App Store and it's completely free" https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-for-ios-back-on-the-app-store https://blog.kapeli.com/dash-for-ios-back-on-the-app-store "TL;DR: Dash for iOS is back on the App Store and it’s completely free." "Quite a few “developers” have even added it to the App Store themselves, violating the GNU GPL license in the process. Apple has been very responsive in removing these apps, but the developers kept adding it back in different shapes and forms and I got tired to fill the same copyright claim forms over and over. I’ve made a personal developer account which Apple accepted and the review for Dash for iOS went through without any issues. I hope this will somewhat stave off the pirated copies of Dash from appearing on the App Store. We’ll see. The macOS version of Dash will continue to be sold exclusively on kapeli.com."
      - woadwarrior01 3y ago
        Why is it currently not on the App Store?
        3y ago