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Can we all finally make a concerted effort to switch back to Firefox? I get it, it was slow and bloated when Chrome initially came out and everyone switched. W

Can we all finally make a concerted effort to switch back to Firefox? I get it, it was slow and bloated when Chrome initially came out and everyone switched. Well, it's not slow or bloated anymore and Chrome is now officially evil. It's time. Don't just switch your own browser. Switch the browsers of all the non-technical folks that come to you for questions.

doublerabbit 3y ago
Even better, can we all finally make a concerted effort and make a new browser better than Chrome and Firefox? We only let the net get jizzed on because we allow it to be. If Serenity can do it, imagine if all those who push repos to github collaborating together and actually making an open source project for all and everyone. Both browsers are old and have been abused.
- malermeister 3y ago
  I mean sure, but let's not let perfect be the enemy of good here. Firefox is good enough and exists right now. Let's not delay this until some perfect future browser arrives.
- jlmorton 3y ago
  It takes a special kind of hubris to think you're going to develop a browser better than Chrome and Firefox as an open source project. Both Chromium and Firefox are already open source projects. What is the magic sauce that's going to make this effort suddenly produce a perfect browser?
  - doublerabbit 3y ago
    > What is the magic sauce that's going to make this effort suddenly produce a perfect browser? Another Facebook of course. /s
  - zlg_codes 3y ago
    A lack of desire to implement technologies that are harmful to the Web; specifically technologies designed to usurp control from the user and/or its agent. Remove Javascript and 90% of your challenges go away.
    - Shish2k 3y ago
      Remove HTML/CSS rendering and the other 10% of the challenges go away too. Skip the whole “browser" thing and just use `curl`. Zero harmful technologies, maximum user control - I’m sure all of the users will be flocking to this new approach in no time :D
      - zlg_codes 3y ago
        If you're going to mock me you could have a salient point to couple with it.
  - mrastro 3y ago
    Agree. Plus OP may be severely underestimating the complexity and expense related to developing a new fully featured browser. JavaScript engine, CSS rendering engine, supports for dozens of additional add-ons like WebGL, sandboxing, WASM etc. Microsoft is a case study on this given their attempt and eventually ended up forking off Chromium. Pouring more resources into existing projects seem more realistic.
    - doublerabbit 3y ago
      > Plus OP may be severely underestimating the complexity and expense related to developing a new fully featured browser. Not at all. I'm just done with the drama and shite that keeps occurring over the piss battle of Chrome and Firefox. The internet is just a waste land and all those technologies you posted I have not seen one decent product come from them. Please feel to prove me wrong. All of those technologies could be implemented in a better application away from the browser instead of throwing them in a "all-in-one" solution which ends up falling behind because some other new tech comes a long. It's your attitude which causes the internet to lack in the first place.
      - DonHopkins 3y ago
        How is GIMP not a poorly implemented overly complex kitchen sink of incoherent features with bad user interfaces? And how are GIMP scripts any more safe and secure than JavaScript? Or are you suggesting making GIMP the browser?
- layer8 3y ago
  > If Serenity can do it Microsoft, on the other hand, gave up on it.
  - doublerabbit 3y ago
    Microsoft, who were paid to give up on it. But they won't tell you that.
    - DonHopkins 3y ago
      So your best argument is a totally implausible baseless conspiracy theory without any proof or explanation or even links to batshit crazy youtube videos? As such a gigantic international organization with so many people, how has Microsoft managed to keep that a secret for so long? Microsoft must really know how to do security right, if they haven't leaked such a big story. That would be bigger than then OpenAI soap opera! Eric S Raymond would rise up from his Racist MAGA Libertarian Climate Change Denying Gun-Nut Cesspit like the Creature From The Black Lagoon and run a victory lap! It follows from your own conspiracy theory that Microsoft must be one of the most security conscious and proficient companies on Earth, leaving Apple in the dust, to keep such a huge story from getting out for so long!
      - doublerabbit 3y ago
        > It follows from your own conspiracy theory that Microsoft must be one of the most security conscious and proficient companies on Earth, leaving Apple in the dust, to keep such a huge story from getting out for so long! laughs in Microsoft
kllrnohj 3y ago
Been using Firefox on Android for a while now and it's great. Chrome's forced tab groups thing is what pushed me to switch, and it's been mostly great since. Firefox on Android even has proper scroll/fling physics now (they used to have an awful implementation on Android). Only complaint is text input on some sites is very sluggish and drops letters, notably many of the wikis used by games. But those sites are not exactly optimized either so no idea how much of that is Firefox vs. the site.
Mistletoe 3y ago
I don't know if I can trust you. I've heard how great Firefox is now so many times and I download it and it is hot bloated garbage. If Chrome implements this, I'll just use Brave, but I will give Firefox a try then also, based on your comment.
- paradox460 3y ago
  And acting like Mozilla is some bastion of anti-advertising freedom ranges from ignorant to aggressively disingenuous Mozilla has shipped ads directly in the browser at least three times: pocket, the automatic installation of a Mr robot extension, and the full screen new tab ad for turning red. They've given absolutely no indication they won't do it again
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doublerabbit 3y ago

Even better, can we all finally make a concerted effort and make a new browser better than Chrome and Firefox? We only let the net get jizzed on because we allow it to be. If Serenity can do it, imagine if all those who push repos to github collaborating together and actually making an open source project for all and everyone. Both browsers are old and have been abused.

malermeister 3y ago
I mean sure, but let's not let perfect be the enemy of good here. Firefox is good enough and exists right now. Let's not delay this until some perfect future browser arrives.
jlmorton 3y ago
It takes a special kind of hubris to think you're going to develop a browser better than Chrome and Firefox as an open source project. Both Chromium and Firefox are already open source projects. What is the magic sauce that's going to make this effort suddenly produce a perfect browser?
- doublerabbit 3y ago
  > What is the magic sauce that's going to make this effort suddenly produce a perfect browser? Another Facebook of course. /s
- zlg_codes 3y ago
  A lack of desire to implement technologies that are harmful to the Web; specifically technologies designed to usurp control from the user and/or its agent. Remove Javascript and 90% of your challenges go away.
  - Shish2k 3y ago
    Remove HTML/CSS rendering and the other 10% of the challenges go away too. Skip the whole “browser" thing and just use `curl`. Zero harmful technologies, maximum user control - I’m sure all of the users will be flocking to this new approach in no time :D
    - zlg_codes 3y ago
      If you're going to mock me you could have a salient point to couple with it.
- mrastro 3y ago
  Agree. Plus OP may be severely underestimating the complexity and expense related to developing a new fully featured browser. JavaScript engine, CSS rendering engine, supports for dozens of additional add-ons like WebGL, sandboxing, WASM etc. Microsoft is a case study on this given their attempt and eventually ended up forking off Chromium. Pouring more resources into existing projects seem more realistic.
  - doublerabbit 3y ago
    > Plus OP may be severely underestimating the complexity and expense related to developing a new fully featured browser. Not at all. I'm just done with the drama and shite that keeps occurring over the piss battle of Chrome and Firefox. The internet is just a waste land and all those technologies you posted I have not seen one decent product come from them. Please feel to prove me wrong. All of those technologies could be implemented in a better application away from the browser instead of throwing them in a "all-in-one" solution which ends up falling behind because some other new tech comes a long. It's your attitude which causes the internet to lack in the first place.
    - DonHopkins 3y ago
      How is GIMP not a poorly implemented overly complex kitchen sink of incoherent features with bad user interfaces? And how are GIMP scripts any more safe and secure than JavaScript? Or are you suggesting making GIMP the browser?
layer8 3y ago
> If Serenity can do it Microsoft, on the other hand, gave up on it.
- doublerabbit 3y ago
  Microsoft, who were paid to give up on it. But they won't tell you that.
  - DonHopkins 3y ago
    So your best argument is a totally implausible baseless conspiracy theory without any proof or explanation or even links to batshit crazy youtube videos? As such a gigantic international organization with so many people, how has Microsoft managed to keep that a secret for so long? Microsoft must really know how to do security right, if they haven't leaked such a big story. That would be bigger than then OpenAI soap opera! Eric S Raymond would rise up from his Racist MAGA Libertarian Climate Change Denying Gun-Nut Cesspit like the Creature From The Black Lagoon and run a victory lap! It follows from your own conspiracy theory that Microsoft must be one of the most security conscious and proficient companies on Earth, leaving Apple in the dust, to keep such a huge story from getting out for so long!
    - doublerabbit 3y ago
      > It follows from your own conspiracy theory that Microsoft must be one of the most security conscious and proficient companies on Earth, leaving Apple in the dust, to keep such a huge story from getting out for so long! laughs in Microsoft

kllrnohj 3y ago

Been using Firefox on Android for a while now and it's great. Chrome's forced tab groups thing is what pushed me to switch, and it's been mostly great since. Firefox on Android even has proper scroll/fling physics now (they used to have an awful implementation on Android). Only complaint is text input on some sites is very sluggish and drops letters, notably many of the wikis used by games. But those sites are not exactly optimized either so no idea how much of that is Firefox vs. the site.

Mistletoe 3y ago

I don't know if I can trust you. I've heard how great Firefox is now so many times and I download it and it is hot bloated garbage. If Chrome implements this, I'll just use Brave, but I will give Firefox a try then also, based on your comment.

paradox460 3y ago
And acting like Mozilla is some bastion of anti-advertising freedom ranges from ignorant to aggressively disingenuous Mozilla has shipped ads directly in the browser at least three times: pocket, the automatic installation of a Mr robot extension, and the full screen new tab ad for turning red. They've given absolutely no indication they won't do it again

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