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I like using Chrome and even went back to it after trying FF and Brave 2-3 years ago. But this would really make me look for alternatives, even if those are inf

by pier25 3y ago

I like using Chrome and even went back to it after trying FF and Brave 2-3 years ago. But this would really make me look for alternatives, even if those are inferior. It's not even about Youtube. I pay for Youtube Premium. But not being able to block third party cookies would be a deal breaker.

iforgotpassword 3y ago
If even tech people (who could easily have multiple browsers around) prefer Chrome over Firefox for minor problems out of convenience, I don't see how Firefox is supposed to really notably gain any market share even if Google completely locks out ad blockers.
- chias 3y ago
  > If even tech people (who could easily have multiple browsers around) prefer Chrome over Firefox very many of us don't.
  - shiroiuma 3y ago
    There are dozens of us!! I'm one of those dozens too, but sadly, "techies" are not that great at promoting the more open alternatives. Or even ad-blocking in general: just look at how hordes of HN users insist here that everyone who blocks ads is evil and how we have a moral obligation to watch advertising.
- loloquwowndueo 3y ago
  Sometimes it’s not “out of convenience” but “we only have the resources to test on one browser and most people use chrome” - so we must cater to that even if chrome is far down the road to enshittification.
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vivzkestrel 3y ago
majority of the people will still use Chrome even if Google literally delists all blockers from the planet. One major reason being "browser migration". The guys on HN crying foul on most of these articles are a vocal minority. This s Google's version of "corner the market and raise the prices". They ll lost 2-5% market share at max
- nottheengineer 3y ago
  Don't forget that google also has mozilla by the balls and can turn firefox into a community project at any time.
- loeg 3y ago
  I've been using Firefox some lately because my work has a heavyhanded managed system-wide Chrome profile and one other problem is that Firefox is just buggy and slow in some noticeable ways that Chrome is not.
  - DandyDev 3y ago
    I often read these kinds of comments on HN and I don’t understand them. I’m using FF on MacOS and it feels like exactly the same experience I used to have on Chrome. Except that I like multi account containers better than Chrome profiles. I would love for HN commenters to share a recording in which they show this “buggyness”
    - loeg 3y ago
      I’m on Linux. Attempting to drag a tab to a new window doesn’t work and permanently breaks the “x” button to close tabs (until a restart).
      - beebeepka 3y ago
        Too bad your lies have been upvoted. I am also on Linux - had to boot it up just to make sure I am not spreading bs - and what do you know, dragging tabs between windows works just fine, like it always has.
kllrnohj 3y ago
> But not being able to block third party cookies would be a deal breaker. Chrome has a proper setting for that you don't need an addon for it?
neilv 3y ago
> But this would really make me look for alternatives, A stronger response would be -- a year or more ago -- techies switching to Firefox as a symbolic movement. And when we have more techies using Firefox, that means various kinds of network effects that end up improving its adoption.
nmilo 3y ago
So switch then instead of just talking about it. It's not a big deal, it takes like 1 minute, and no one can seriously tell me you have a significantly different browser experience on Chrome vs FF.
- linza 3y ago
  It's very subjective, but I won't try switching again before certain things I value in Chrome are available or work similar well on Firefox. You can switch based on ideology alone but I want convenience more than that.
  - nmilo 3y ago
    Ok so if you're not going to switch then don't talk about it. Google will continue to make Chrome shittier and more user-hostile much like every product they've ever released since they were founded and people like you will continue to go "yeah but what about app mode or whatever." It's not ideology, it's history.
    - pier25 3y ago
      > Google will continue to make Chrome shittier and more user-hostile Other than this ad stuff (which I agree is tremendously hostile) Chrome has acually been getting better. The dev tools, performance, UI, and memory usage have improved considerably this year.
    - linza 3y ago
      You want to censor me because i have a different opinion than yours? I assume you have good intentions and want to advocate for Firefox and have it have wider adoption. I want the same thing, but it's imo not enough that Chrome gets shittier (it doesn't in my opinion btw in terms of UX), Firefox needs to become better to win.
  - SuperCuber 3y ago
    What things are you talking about? I haven't used chrome outside of work for years, so forgive my ignorance
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by pier25 3y ago

iforgotpassword 3y ago

If even tech people (who could easily have multiple browsers around) prefer Chrome over Firefox for minor problems out of convenience, I don't see how Firefox is supposed to really notably gain any market share even if Google completely locks out ad blockers.

chias 3y ago
> If even tech people (who could easily have multiple browsers around) prefer Chrome over Firefox very many of us don't.
- shiroiuma 3y ago
  There are dozens of us!! I'm one of those dozens too, but sadly, "techies" are not that great at promoting the more open alternatives. Or even ad-blocking in general: just look at how hordes of HN users insist here that everyone who blocks ads is evil and how we have a moral obligation to watch advertising.
loloquwowndueo 3y ago
Sometimes it’s not “out of convenience” but “we only have the resources to test on one browser and most people use chrome” - so we must cater to that even if chrome is far down the road to enshittification.
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vivzkestrel 3y ago

majority of the people will still use Chrome even if Google literally delists all blockers from the planet. One major reason being "browser migration". The guys on HN crying foul on most of these articles are a vocal minority. This s Google's version of "corner the market and raise the prices". They ll lost 2-5% market share at max

nottheengineer 3y ago
Don't forget that google also has mozilla by the balls and can turn firefox into a community project at any time.
loeg 3y ago
I've been using Firefox some lately because my work has a heavyhanded managed system-wide Chrome profile and one other problem is that Firefox is just buggy and slow in some noticeable ways that Chrome is not.
- DandyDev 3y ago
  I often read these kinds of comments on HN and I don’t understand them. I’m using FF on MacOS and it feels like exactly the same experience I used to have on Chrome. Except that I like multi account containers better than Chrome profiles. I would love for HN commenters to share a recording in which they show this “buggyness”
  - loeg 3y ago
    I’m on Linux. Attempting to drag a tab to a new window doesn’t work and permanently breaks the “x” button to close tabs (until a restart).
    - beebeepka 3y ago
      Too bad your lies have been upvoted. I am also on Linux - had to boot it up just to make sure I am not spreading bs - and what do you know, dragging tabs between windows works just fine, like it always has.

kllrnohj 3y ago

> But not being able to block third party cookies would be a deal breaker. Chrome has a proper setting for that you don't need an addon for it?

neilv 3y ago

> But this would really make me look for alternatives, A stronger response would be -- a year or more ago -- techies switching to Firefox as a symbolic movement. And when we have more techies using Firefox, that means various kinds of network effects that end up improving its adoption.

nmilo 3y ago

So switch then instead of just talking about it. It's not a big deal, it takes like 1 minute, and no one can seriously tell me you have a significantly different browser experience on Chrome vs FF.

linza 3y ago
It's very subjective, but I won't try switching again before certain things I value in Chrome are available or work similar well on Firefox. You can switch based on ideology alone but I want convenience more than that.
- nmilo 3y ago
  Ok so if you're not going to switch then don't talk about it. Google will continue to make Chrome shittier and more user-hostile much like every product they've ever released since they were founded and people like you will continue to go "yeah but what about app mode or whatever." It's not ideology, it's history.
  - pier25 3y ago
    > Google will continue to make Chrome shittier and more user-hostile Other than this ad stuff (which I agree is tremendously hostile) Chrome has acually been getting better. The dev tools, performance, UI, and memory usage have improved considerably this year.
  - linza 3y ago
    You want to censor me because i have a different opinion than yours? I assume you have good intentions and want to advocate for Firefox and have it have wider adoption. I want the same thing, but it's imo not enough that Chrome gets shittier (it doesn't in my opinion btw in terms of UX), Firefox needs to become better to win.
- SuperCuber 3y ago
  What things are you talking about? I haven't used chrome outside of work for years, so forgive my ignorance

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