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That may be true where you live, but down here in NZ, unlimited means unlimited (on fibre). Our competitive ISP market means that all major ISPs have completely

by ripdog 3y ago

That may be true where you live, but down here in NZ, unlimited means unlimited (on fibre). Our competitive ISP market means that all major ISPs have completely ditched their fair usage policies. I regularly use well over 10TB a month and have never had any issues from multiple ISPs. We have a regulation-enforced split between ISPs and the line owners, meaning anyone can set up an ISP for a relatively low capital cost by leasing access to the last mile fibre lines to customers. As such, there are plenty of nation-wide ISPs here.

traceroute66 3y ago
> here in NZ...all major ISPs have completely ditched their fair usage policies. I'm quite fond of NZ and I've heard good things about the quality of your telecoms regulation, but .... We manage traffic which may influence your broadband performance. This means we might have to pause, restrict, end or slow the performance of your service if it’s necessary for us to protect our networks or manage traffic over our networks. See clause 6.6 of our General Terms for more details. and You need to use our services fairly – we’ve set out our rules on this at clause 2.6 of our General Terms. and Fair use by you: You must use our services fairly. This means you agree to use them in a way that’s not overly excessive or unreasonable. This policy is based on how most people use the service and helps us make sure everyone using it gets to enjoy it. If we, acting reasonably and in good faith, believe your use is excessive and unreasonable, we might need to restrict the service or stop providing it to you. All from Spark NZ's conditions[1][2] for their "unlimited data" fibre product[3]. [1]https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/essential-fibre-plus-terms/ https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/esse... [2]https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/general-terms/ https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/gene... [3]https://www.spark.co.nz/online/broadband/buy-plan?category=fibre https://www.spark.co.nz/online/broadband/buy-plan?category=f...
- ripdog 3y ago
  Okay, so perhaps 'all' was a little optimistic. Spark is the old government monopoly, once called 'Telecom'. As such, they have inherited a huge base of users who don't pay any attention to which ISP they are using, or don't even know what an ISP is. As such, they're basically non-competitive. There's rarely any benefit to using them compared to the competition - they are more expensive and refuse to join free internet exchanges, so Spark users frequently experience bad routing to services which refuse to pay money to Spark to peer. What I can tell you, though, is that I have never once heard of Spark warning/booting a user for excessive usage, and I have my ears to the ground at various NZ tech forums. Other ISPs, however: https://www.orcon.net.nz/terms/broadband https://www.orcon.net.nz/terms/broadband If you are on an Uncapped or Unlimited Plan, the total amount of data you can upload or download is unlimited. We may use traffic prioritisation policies for these Plans to protect our Network and improve the overall performance amongst our customers. (This is the Vocus group, including 2degrees, Slingshot, Flip, 2talk and Stuff brands) https://main.prod.vodafonenz.psdops.com/_document?id=00000186-c898-d036-a58f-dffd3d1e0000 https://main.prod.vodafonenz.psdops.com/_document?id=0000018... Our policy is to provide you with the best broadband experience possible, so we won’t slow down or throttle your connection. One New Zealand does not have a fair use policy for One New Zealand Fibre, HFC, VDSL or ADSL broadband (One NZ, old Vodafone) https://care.zeronet.co.nz/hc/en-us/articles/7436185566863-No-term-Fibre-Max https://care.zeronet.co.nz/hc/en-us/articles/7436185566863-N... Zeronet does not enforce a fair use policy when your connection is used for standard home use.

by ripdog 3y ago

traceroute66 3y ago

> here in NZ...all major ISPs have completely ditched their fair usage policies. I'm quite fond of NZ and I've heard good things about the quality of your telecoms regulation, but .... We manage traffic which may influence your broadband performance. This means we might have to pause, restrict, end or slow the performance of your service if it’s necessary for us to protect our networks or manage traffic over our networks. See clause 6.6 of our General Terms for more details. and You need to use our services fairly – we’ve set out our rules on this at clause 2.6 of our General Terms. and Fair use by you: You must use our services fairly. This means you agree to use them in a way that’s not overly excessive or unreasonable. This policy is based on how most people use the service and helps us make sure everyone using it gets to enjoy it. If we, acting reasonably and in good faith, believe your use is excessive and unreasonable, we might need to restrict the service or stop providing it to you. All from Spark NZ's conditions[1][2] for their "unlimited data" fibre product[3]. [1]https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/essential-fibre-plus-terms/ https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/esse... [2]https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/general-terms/ https://www.spark.co.nz/help/other/terms/personal-terms/gene... [3]https://www.spark.co.nz/online/broadband/buy-plan?category=fibre https://www.spark.co.nz/online/broadband/buy-plan?category=f...

ripdog 3y ago
Okay, so perhaps 'all' was a little optimistic. Spark is the old government monopoly, once called 'Telecom'. As such, they have inherited a huge base of users who don't pay any attention to which ISP they are using, or don't even know what an ISP is. As such, they're basically non-competitive. There's rarely any benefit to using them compared to the competition - they are more expensive and refuse to join free internet exchanges, so Spark users frequently experience bad routing to services which refuse to pay money to Spark to peer. What I can tell you, though, is that I have never once heard of Spark warning/booting a user for excessive usage, and I have my ears to the ground at various NZ tech forums. Other ISPs, however: https://www.orcon.net.nz/terms/broadband https://www.orcon.net.nz/terms/broadband If you are on an Uncapped or Unlimited Plan, the total amount of data you can upload or download is unlimited. We may use traffic prioritisation policies for these Plans to protect our Network and improve the overall performance amongst our customers. (This is the Vocus group, including 2degrees, Slingshot, Flip, 2talk and Stuff brands) https://main.prod.vodafonenz.psdops.com/_document?id=00000186-c898-d036-a58f-dffd3d1e0000 https://main.prod.vodafonenz.psdops.com/_document?id=0000018... Our policy is to provide you with the best broadband experience possible, so we won’t slow down or throttle your connection. One New Zealand does not have a fair use policy for One New Zealand Fibre, HFC, VDSL or ADSL broadband (One NZ, old Vodafone) https://care.zeronet.co.nz/hc/en-us/articles/7436185566863-No-term-Fibre-Max https://care.zeronet.co.nz/hc/en-us/articles/7436185566863-N... Zeronet does not enforce a fair use policy when your connection is used for standard home use.