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Sure, that's over the top but don't pretend like "remember when you could say jokes" is anything but a dog whistle for "remember when you could openly mock and

Sure, that's over the top but don't pretend like "remember when you could say jokes" is anything but a dog whistle for "remember when you could openly mock and deride minorities without them being able to make you feel bad about it" a la Andrew Dice Clay or the terrible shock jocks from 30+ years ago.

asylteltine 3y ago
A joke is a joke is a joke. Anything can be funny while at the same time some “jokes” are not. There’s a lot of nuance you guys are missing. Luckily the tides are turning back to normalcy and this fad is over
- bradjohnson 3y ago
  >There’s a lot of nuance you guys are missing Hilarious that you talk about nuance while explicitly removing nuance from the discussion by saying "A joke is a joke is a joke". Ok dude, I'll look for your comedy special where you tell women to make you a sammich or put on a terribly racist Chinese accent and talk about eating cats or whatever.
  - asylteltine 3y ago
    The jokes you mentioned just aren’t funny anymore. They were at one point when they were new. Of course you wouldn’t understand why they were funny in the first place though, as most comedians (after the 1950s I guess) said them because they were ironic, not because they literally though women belong in a kitchen. It’s making fun of stereotypes, but you wouldn’t understand that.
    - bradjohnson 3y ago
      >not because they literally though women belong in a kitchen Someone should have told that to the 12-18 year olds that would scream it at women as soon as one opened their mouth online in early xbox live during the "videogames are for boys" marketing era. Since you seem to be arguing in good faith (albeit also in poor taste), when you ask a question like "Remember when you could make jokes?" it pegs your sense of humour to an era where women and minorities were the butt of oft repeated derogatory jokes. These jokes are not even worth considering for their comedic value because they were almost devoid of it in even the scenario that you outline. A throwaway joke that relies on its shock value to derive any merit because it is not clever in the slightest. A category of joke that oversaturated the online landscape at one point, and now those with any sense of humour are numb to it. When you repeat these types of jokes where the punchline is "racism" or "sexism" and people roll their eyes and don't laugh, it's not because they're offended, it's because your sense of humour is immature and underdeveloped. So I repeat my earlier question: "Isn't it funny that the least funny people always complain about their inability to make jokes anymore?"
lelanthran 3y ago
> don't pretend like "remember when you could say jokes" is anything but a dog whistle If it's a dog whistle that you can hear, then it's your whistle, summoning you, not the dogs
- bradjohnson 3y ago
  You got an argument, or just pedantry?
  - lelanthran 3y ago
    > You got an argument, or just pedantry? Well, honestly, I wasn't responding to an argument anyway, so why would I present an argument?
    - bradjohnson 3y ago
      I argue: "I can't make jokes anymore" means "I want to make sexist and racist jokes" You argue: "Well technically a dog whistle is only audible to dogs so that means that you're a dog" ?? ok.
      - lelanthran 3y ago
        > I argue: "I can't make jokes anymore" means "I want to make sexist and racist jokes" But that's not, to me, an argument - it's a expression of opinion, and you're free to hold one. If you're saying that I misinterpreted it, maybe consider that it doesn't look like an argument - there's no evidence presented, there's no sequence of assertions, there's no antecedents, no consequence, no logical connectives ... In short, there's no logic presented, which is why it looks, to me, like an opinion, and not a completely unreasonable one. One that I felt was made in good faith and so I could engage with in good faith. > You argue: "Well technically a dog whistle is only audible to dogs so that means that you're a dog" Ever read the last psychiatrist? A favourite phrase of his is "If you're reading it, it's for you." which sort of applies here - the claims of dog whistles/nazis/whatever are not to alert the general audience, but a rallying call to others of the same ideology. It's a way to say "Come help me fight this argument because we believe the same things." It is a dog whistle, but it's your dog whistle.

asylteltine 3y ago

A joke is a joke is a joke. Anything can be funny while at the same time some “jokes” are not. There’s a lot of nuance you guys are missing. Luckily the tides are turning back to normalcy and this fad is over

bradjohnson 3y ago
>There’s a lot of nuance you guys are missing Hilarious that you talk about nuance while explicitly removing nuance from the discussion by saying "A joke is a joke is a joke". Ok dude, I'll look for your comedy special where you tell women to make you a sammich or put on a terribly racist Chinese accent and talk about eating cats or whatever.
- asylteltine 3y ago
  The jokes you mentioned just aren’t funny anymore. They were at one point when they were new. Of course you wouldn’t understand why they were funny in the first place though, as most comedians (after the 1950s I guess) said them because they were ironic, not because they literally though women belong in a kitchen. It’s making fun of stereotypes, but you wouldn’t understand that.
  - bradjohnson 3y ago
    >not because they literally though women belong in a kitchen Someone should have told that to the 12-18 year olds that would scream it at women as soon as one opened their mouth online in early xbox live during the "videogames are for boys" marketing era. Since you seem to be arguing in good faith (albeit also in poor taste), when you ask a question like "Remember when you could make jokes?" it pegs your sense of humour to an era where women and minorities were the butt of oft repeated derogatory jokes. These jokes are not even worth considering for their comedic value because they were almost devoid of it in even the scenario that you outline. A throwaway joke that relies on its shock value to derive any merit because it is not clever in the slightest. A category of joke that oversaturated the online landscape at one point, and now those with any sense of humour are numb to it. When you repeat these types of jokes where the punchline is "racism" or "sexism" and people roll their eyes and don't laugh, it's not because they're offended, it's because your sense of humour is immature and underdeveloped. So I repeat my earlier question: "Isn't it funny that the least funny people always complain about their inability to make jokes anymore?"

lelanthran 3y ago

> don't pretend like "remember when you could say jokes" is anything but a dog whistle If it's a dog whistle that you can hear, then it's your whistle, summoning you, not the dogs

bradjohnson 3y ago
You got an argument, or just pedantry?
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > You got an argument, or just pedantry? Well, honestly, I wasn't responding to an argument anyway, so why would I present an argument?
  - bradjohnson 3y ago
    I argue: "I can't make jokes anymore" means "I want to make sexist and racist jokes" You argue: "Well technically a dog whistle is only audible to dogs so that means that you're a dog" ?? ok.
    - lelanthran 3y ago
      > I argue: "I can't make jokes anymore" means "I want to make sexist and racist jokes" But that's not, to me, an argument - it's a expression of opinion, and you're free to hold one. If you're saying that I misinterpreted it, maybe consider that it doesn't look like an argument - there's no evidence presented, there's no sequence of assertions, there's no antecedents, no consequence, no logical connectives ... In short, there's no logic presented, which is why it looks, to me, like an opinion, and not a completely unreasonable one. One that I felt was made in good faith and so I could engage with in good faith. > You argue: "Well technically a dog whistle is only audible to dogs so that means that you're a dog" Ever read the last psychiatrist? A favourite phrase of his is "If you're reading it, it's for you." which sort of applies here - the claims of dog whistles/nazis/whatever are not to alert the general audience, but a rallying call to others of the same ideology. It's a way to say "Come help me fight this argument because we believe the same things." It is a dog whistle, but it's your dog whistle.