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You're describing your bubble. In mine, young women rappers are being discovered in droves, previously on youtube and now tiktok. They don't have Death Row t

by klyrs 3y ago

You're describing your bubble. In mine, young women rappers are being discovered in droves, previously on youtube and now tiktok. They don't have Death Row tier production quality, but by the time they make it to Spotify, they're putting out bangers. It's little surprise that your nuclear family listens to such a narrow range of music. Growing up, I didn't listen to new music in the house either. We had classical, old country, ragtime, and big band -- nothing newer than 30 years ago. My parents thought everything else was noise. Oh, and funny thing, I've recently discovered artists from the 90s that I never heard of back then. Music discovery is, in my experience, in a golden era. There's not only a huge amount of new music, but as old music makes it online, it's making it to my ears.

gizajob 3y ago
“70+ teenagers” in London - Europe’s most diverse city. I don’t believe there’s a need for the condescending implication about the poster’s “nuclear family” or “bubble” and I’d posit that a majority of those teenagers don’t live in nuclear families. This is a much broader phenomenon. Young people will always find new music to listen to, but there is a crisis in musical innovation in the 21st century, essentially whereby any new music made within it cannot escape from the patterns laid down in the 20th century. Teenagers are likely listening to pre-2000 music because there is simply no 21st century music to be had.
- klyrs 3y ago
  Your argument is ridiculous on its face. Modern music has thrown out the very nature of musicality. Bartók is considered unlistenable by most people to this day, and he died in 1945. Kids these days are circuit bending, producing a noisome din without rhythm, melody, or anything remotely pleasing to your ear. And yet, I've been to packed concerts (albeit tiny venues). The shackles of the second millennium are thrown off. What is free jazz, anyway? What's the crisis? Your sample size is pathetically small, an appeal to the diversity of London (pfft, I scoff from the diversity of the urban centers of the Pacific Northwest) does nothing to reinforce your claim. Your bubble, my friend, is small. There is no crisis. You claim that there is no Doechii, that Nicole Lizee is dead, that Lil Nas X never existed. And I cannot hear you.
  - gizajob 3y ago
    I feel like you’re talking to yourself. By all means tell us what free jazz is, and whether anything recent has bettered it for quality or freeness compared to jazz of the 20th century. And do take a trip to London one day if you need to understand what diversity looks like in a world metropolis before lecturing. You also have zero information about what might be pleasing to my ear. Listen to this while you’re cogitating your next blustering response, it’s better than Death Row: https://youtu.be/ukZYP5Dy43E?si=gV5Cljo8iIh86tLO https://youtu.be/ukZYP5Dy43E?si=gV5Cljo8iIh86tLO
    - klyrs 3y ago
      The bluster is mostly for fun, but I was rather set off by this statement: > there is simply no 21st century music to be had. The appropriate response to "what is free jazz?" is "what isn't free jazz?" This is a joke, of course. Free jazz is crap; I like the old stuff. Same goes for prog rock. One cannot account for taste, after all. Thanks for the Merzbow; I look forward to listening to it after the meeting I'm in. ;) But do note that Death Row is a record label, renowned for its production quality (wherein Dre would hire musicians to re-record backbeats that originated as lo-fi samples). I must ask: do you look for new music? I do, daily, and I'm never unsatisfied. And, hell, I heard a sonata of Mozart just yesterday that I'd never heard before. So I'll say this: the back-catalog is so incredibly massive that one listener cannot hope to hear it all. It's much easier to be stuck in the past, than stuck in the present. And I've been to several world metropolises, London included. A cohort of 70 high school students is a terribly small sample, whereever it may be situated. I didn't start really listening to music until my brother (a professional musician) departed for university. edit: ah, hah. Merzbow is inspired by prog rock and free jazz. It's not bad; it's not my jam. Do your kids listen to it?
      - gizajob 3y ago
        Nah my kids listen to stuff like this: https://youtu.be/XR9d4ESlpHY?si=57C9KOBVssCWtsbO https://youtu.be/XR9d4ESlpHY?si=57C9KOBVssCWtsbO and this: https://youtu.be/NVjSycDJatc?si=9lIug-ay5ROvuNvt https://youtu.be/NVjSycDJatc?si=9lIug-ay5ROvuNvt and this: https://youtu.be/IYnuXnuaFNY?si=MGhr4dmfyfBQb0RU https://youtu.be/IYnuXnuaFNY?si=MGhr4dmfyfBQb0RU and this: https://youtu.be/lKOGgH40d_0?si=iqIBytn3q2EhCdxG https://youtu.be/lKOGgH40d_0?si=iqIBytn3q2EhCdxG and this: https://youtu.be/SLvFsP1izS4?si=x4kqT9a8foBmtvjn https://youtu.be/SLvFsP1izS4?si=x4kqT9a8foBmtvjn

by klyrs 3y ago

gizajob 3y ago

“70+ teenagers” in London - Europe’s most diverse city. I don’t believe there’s a need for the condescending implication about the poster’s “nuclear family” or “bubble” and I’d posit that a majority of those teenagers don’t live in nuclear families. This is a much broader phenomenon. Young people will always find new music to listen to, but there is a crisis in musical innovation in the 21st century, essentially whereby any new music made within it cannot escape from the patterns laid down in the 20th century. Teenagers are likely listening to pre-2000 music because there is simply no 21st century music to be had.

klyrs 3y ago
Your argument is ridiculous on its face. Modern music has thrown out the very nature of musicality. Bartók is considered unlistenable by most people to this day, and he died in 1945. Kids these days are circuit bending, producing a noisome din without rhythm, melody, or anything remotely pleasing to your ear. And yet, I've been to packed concerts (albeit tiny venues). The shackles of the second millennium are thrown off. What is free jazz, anyway? What's the crisis? Your sample size is pathetically small, an appeal to the diversity of London (pfft, I scoff from the diversity of the urban centers of the Pacific Northwest) does nothing to reinforce your claim. Your bubble, my friend, is small. There is no crisis. You claim that there is no Doechii, that Nicole Lizee is dead, that Lil Nas X never existed. And I cannot hear you.
- gizajob 3y ago
  I feel like you’re talking to yourself. By all means tell us what free jazz is, and whether anything recent has bettered it for quality or freeness compared to jazz of the 20th century. And do take a trip to London one day if you need to understand what diversity looks like in a world metropolis before lecturing. You also have zero information about what might be pleasing to my ear. Listen to this while you’re cogitating your next blustering response, it’s better than Death Row: https://youtu.be/ukZYP5Dy43E?si=gV5Cljo8iIh86tLO https://youtu.be/ukZYP5Dy43E?si=gV5Cljo8iIh86tLO
  - klyrs 3y ago
    The bluster is mostly for fun, but I was rather set off by this statement: > there is simply no 21st century music to be had. The appropriate response to "what is free jazz?" is "what isn't free jazz?" This is a joke, of course. Free jazz is crap; I like the old stuff. Same goes for prog rock. One cannot account for taste, after all. Thanks for the Merzbow; I look forward to listening to it after the meeting I'm in. ;) But do note that Death Row is a record label, renowned for its production quality (wherein Dre would hire musicians to re-record backbeats that originated as lo-fi samples). I must ask: do you look for new music? I do, daily, and I'm never unsatisfied. And, hell, I heard a sonata of Mozart just yesterday that I'd never heard before. So I'll say this: the back-catalog is so incredibly massive that one listener cannot hope to hear it all. It's much easier to be stuck in the past, than stuck in the present. And I've been to several world metropolises, London included. A cohort of 70 high school students is a terribly small sample, whereever it may be situated. I didn't start really listening to music until my brother (a professional musician) departed for university. edit: ah, hah. Merzbow is inspired by prog rock and free jazz. It's not bad; it's not my jam. Do your kids listen to it?
    - gizajob 3y ago
      Nah my kids listen to stuff like this: https://youtu.be/XR9d4ESlpHY?si=57C9KOBVssCWtsbO https://youtu.be/XR9d4ESlpHY?si=57C9KOBVssCWtsbO and this: https://youtu.be/NVjSycDJatc?si=9lIug-ay5ROvuNvt https://youtu.be/NVjSycDJatc?si=9lIug-ay5ROvuNvt and this: https://youtu.be/IYnuXnuaFNY?si=MGhr4dmfyfBQb0RU https://youtu.be/IYnuXnuaFNY?si=MGhr4dmfyfBQb0RU and this: https://youtu.be/lKOGgH40d_0?si=iqIBytn3q2EhCdxG https://youtu.be/lKOGgH40d_0?si=iqIBytn3q2EhCdxG and this: https://youtu.be/SLvFsP1izS4?si=x4kqT9a8foBmtvjn https://youtu.be/SLvFsP1izS4?si=x4kqT9a8foBmtvjn