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From my personal experiences, yes because they were boys clubs. But not because they were men, because they weren’t pc or driven by diversity. It would be great

From my personal experiences, yes because they were boys clubs. But not because they were men, because they weren’t pc or driven by diversity. It would be great if the “boys club” was 50% women, as long as it wasn’t like a modern Ubisoft dev team that looks like an HRs wet dream. The end result are sterile boring games that aren’t funny or interesting. Remember when you could make jokes?

pests 3y ago
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- fodkodrasz 3y ago
  Wow you manage to mix ad hominem, and anecdotal evidence, based on a fiction tale made by current mainstream propaganda industry! "Remember the time when American people had decent education and could use other reasoning than references to TV/streaming series?"
  - pests 3y ago
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    - fodkodrasz 3y ago
      > Where is the ad hominem? implicit comparison of GP to an unspecified made up character making racist comments > I'm not even going to argue with you. I see, because you brought no valid arguments in your comment. > Now where is your god? This phrase alone proves that discussing anything with you is of no use. Have a nice day.
      - pests 3y ago
        > implicit comparison of GP to an unspecified made up character making racist comments The guy is implying he can't make jokes anymore because the jokes he wants to make are no longer politically correct, aka racist or sexist or whatever else. Yes I'm going to compare it to times when people lemented they could no longer be racist. What? > This phrase alone proves that discussing anything with you is of no use. It was a joke.
  - bradjohnson 3y ago
    >Remember the time when American people had decent education and could use other reasoning than references to [popular media] No. Do you?
- moduspol 3y ago
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  - pests 3y ago
    The guy said he can't be racist or violent or sexist in his jokes anymore. Why can't we compare that to people who used to murder those who were different than them?
    - moduspol 3y ago
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      - bradjohnson 3y ago
        > Let's just go straight to calling everyone who disagrees with us pedophile Hitlers. Really deep, thought-provoking insight.
        moduspol 3y ago
        It's not exactly a huge leap.
        bradjohnson 3y ago
        Such big strong literary quads you must have.
        moduspol 3y ago
        yawn
- asylteltine 3y ago
  See that’s the problem with people who think like you. I say “remember when you could say jokes” and somehow you hear “Remember when we could just like lynch black people lmao XD” Something is wrong with you guys.
  - bradjohnson 3y ago
    Sure, that's over the top but don't pretend like "remember when you could say jokes" is anything but a dog whistle for "remember when you could openly mock and deride minorities without them being able to make you feel bad about it" a la Andrew Dice Clay or the terrible shock jocks from 30+ years ago.
    - asylteltine 3y ago
      A joke is a joke is a joke. Anything can be funny while at the same time some “jokes” are not. There’s a lot of nuance you guys are missing. Luckily the tides are turning back to normalcy and this fad is over
      - bradjohnson 3y ago
        >There’s a lot of nuance you guys are missing Hilarious that you talk about nuance while explicitly removing nuance from the discussion by saying "A joke is a joke is a joke". Ok dude, I'll look for your comedy special where you tell women to make you a sammich or put on a terribly racist Chinese accent and talk about eating cats or whatever.
        asylteltine 3y ago
        The jokes you mentioned just aren’t funny anymore. They were at one point when they were new. Of course you wouldn’t understand why they were funny in the first place though, as most comedians (after the 1950s I guess) said them because they were ironic, not because they literally though women belong in a kitchen. It’s making fun of stereotypes, but you wouldn’t understand that.
skyyler 3y ago
I have no problem making jokes in the workplace. Maybe it’s the content of your jokes that are the problem?
bradjohnson 3y ago
Isn't it funny that the least funny people always complain about their inability to make jokes anymore? Plus the misattribution of watered-down safe products from corporations as being because they're "pc or driven by diversity" instead of driven by profits and avoiding controversy because it would hurt their bottom line. It's like saying that babies are to blame for bad children's programming.
- lelanthran 3y ago
  > Isn't it funny that the least funny people always complain about their inability to make jokes anymore? Maybe you really don't know, but John Cleese is considered extremely funny, and has been for decades: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/10/john-cleese-host-gb-news-show-cancel-culture https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/10/john-cleese-... Bill Burr is also widely regarded as a good comedian, making funny jokes: https://actorsareidiots.com/bill-burr-people-taking-offense-is-ruining-comedy/ https://actorsareidiots.com/bill-burr-people-taking-offense-... Dave Chappelle made a similar complaint (that he will not be changing his material to bend to some people's demands) and is also widely regarded as funny: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/25/1049113893/dave-chappelle-response-netflix-special-lgbtq https://www.npr.org/2021/10/25/1049113893/dave-chappelle-res... How about someone who is not widely known, but still considered quite highly as a funny person? Here's what she literally said: "Jokes used to be accepted as jokes [...] Morality police now dictate what we can and can’t say. " - https://www.chortle.co.uk/correspondents/2023/02/10/52508/goodbye_comedy,_i_wont_miss_all_of_you_self-censoring_wimps https://www.chortle.co.uk/correspondents/2023/02/10/52508/go... Yup, the actual funny people are complaining that they can't make actual jokes anymore: https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/comedians-online-censorship-dore-long-polishchuk/ https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/comedians-online-censorship-... I feel you should think long and hard before making a statement as orthogonal to reality as "The least funny people complain about their inability to make jokes".
  - bradjohnson 3y ago
    I think you're really missing the point, so I'm not going to go source my anecdote about regular people in a conversation about boys clubs in the office. I've summed it up quite thoroughly throughout this thread. If we really want to talk about these actual comedians (who are all very funny in their own right), I would say that Bill Burr is a snowflake who had a bad set, Dave Chappelle should really learn to not make jokes at the expense of people who are currently facing severe systemic oppression, and John Cleese is an over-reacting octogenarian, far past his prime and aligning himself with an anti-vax fake news network; not the arbiter of truth you think he is. They aren't coming across as particularly sympathetic to me, and the comedy scene will forget them if they're not able to adapt their material to a changing generation. Comedy is temporally bound and what is good comedy changes over time. People find different things funny, so there should be a diversity of choice in comedy. I've been to sets that I personally didn't find funny, but the audience was locals with a different sense of humour than me and they loved it. It wasn't bad, just not my style, but it didn't operate at the expense of someone else. I've been to sets where the comedian on stage floundered and lashed out at the audience for being too sensitive, and the next comedian killed it without being 'sensitive' to the audience, just by being funny. Here are some funny comedians that I've seen this year that managed to not be transphobic or align themselves with conspiracy theories about vaccinations: - Arthur Simeon - The Lucas Brothers - Malik Elassal - Alonzo Bodden - Joyelle Nicole Johnson - Fortune Feimster - Steph Tolev Plus a bunch of others that I can't remember off the top of my head. Check them out if you care to. I don't think any of them are complaining that they can't be funny anymore, they're doing just fine, and I think they're bringing fresh comedy to the scene. In my opinion, if the old guard wants to show themselves out because they feel like they can't compete, they should feel free to.
DonHopkins 3y ago
2014 called. They want you back to help them coordinate harassing, doxing, and threatening to rape women for Gamergate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_(harassment_campaign) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_(harassment_campaign...
averageRoyalty 3y ago
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- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  That's a generous interpretation of the comment. IME "boys clubs" are largely a negative phenomenon I'd rather my loved ones avoid, or at least evaluate critically.
  - averageRoyalty 3y ago
    Granted, I'm not saying it's a positive term or the one we should keep using, but it is the one we've ended up with.

pests 3y ago

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fodkodrasz 3y ago
Wow you manage to mix ad hominem, and anecdotal evidence, based on a fiction tale made by current mainstream propaganda industry! "Remember the time when American people had decent education and could use other reasoning than references to TV/streaming series?"
- pests 3y ago
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  - fodkodrasz 3y ago
    > Where is the ad hominem? implicit comparison of GP to an unspecified made up character making racist comments > I'm not even going to argue with you. I see, because you brought no valid arguments in your comment. > Now where is your god? This phrase alone proves that discussing anything with you is of no use. Have a nice day.
    - pests 3y ago
      > implicit comparison of GP to an unspecified made up character making racist comments The guy is implying he can't make jokes anymore because the jokes he wants to make are no longer politically correct, aka racist or sexist or whatever else. Yes I'm going to compare it to times when people lemented they could no longer be racist. What? > This phrase alone proves that discussing anything with you is of no use. It was a joke.
- bradjohnson 3y ago
  >Remember the time when American people had decent education and could use other reasoning than references to [popular media] No. Do you?
moduspol 3y ago
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- pests 3y ago
  The guy said he can't be racist or violent or sexist in his jokes anymore. Why can't we compare that to people who used to murder those who were different than them?
  - moduspol 3y ago
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    - bradjohnson 3y ago
      > Let's just go straight to calling everyone who disagrees with us pedophile Hitlers. Really deep, thought-provoking insight.
      - moduspol 3y ago
        It's not exactly a huge leap.
        bradjohnson 3y ago
        Such big strong literary quads you must have.
        moduspol 3y ago
        yawn
asylteltine 3y ago
See that’s the problem with people who think like you. I say “remember when you could say jokes” and somehow you hear “Remember when we could just like lynch black people lmao XD” Something is wrong with you guys.
- bradjohnson 3y ago
  Sure, that's over the top but don't pretend like "remember when you could say jokes" is anything but a dog whistle for "remember when you could openly mock and deride minorities without them being able to make you feel bad about it" a la Andrew Dice Clay or the terrible shock jocks from 30+ years ago.
  - asylteltine 3y ago
    A joke is a joke is a joke. Anything can be funny while at the same time some “jokes” are not. There’s a lot of nuance you guys are missing. Luckily the tides are turning back to normalcy and this fad is over
    - bradjohnson 3y ago
      >There’s a lot of nuance you guys are missing Hilarious that you talk about nuance while explicitly removing nuance from the discussion by saying "A joke is a joke is a joke". Ok dude, I'll look for your comedy special where you tell women to make you a sammich or put on a terribly racist Chinese accent and talk about eating cats or whatever.
      - asylteltine 3y ago
        The jokes you mentioned just aren’t funny anymore. They were at one point when they were new. Of course you wouldn’t understand why they were funny in the first place though, as most comedians (after the 1950s I guess) said them because they were ironic, not because they literally though women belong in a kitchen. It’s making fun of stereotypes, but you wouldn’t understand that.

skyyler 3y ago

I have no problem making jokes in the workplace. Maybe it’s the content of your jokes that are the problem?

bradjohnson 3y ago

Isn't it funny that the least funny people always complain about their inability to make jokes anymore? Plus the misattribution of watered-down safe products from corporations as being because they're "pc or driven by diversity" instead of driven by profits and avoiding controversy because it would hurt their bottom line. It's like saying that babies are to blame for bad children's programming.

lelanthran 3y ago
> Isn't it funny that the least funny people always complain about their inability to make jokes anymore? Maybe you really don't know, but John Cleese is considered extremely funny, and has been for decades: https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/10/john-cleese-host-gb-news-show-cancel-culture https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/oct/10/john-cleese-... Bill Burr is also widely regarded as a good comedian, making funny jokes: https://actorsareidiots.com/bill-burr-people-taking-offense-is-ruining-comedy/ https://actorsareidiots.com/bill-burr-people-taking-offense-... Dave Chappelle made a similar complaint (that he will not be changing his material to bend to some people's demands) and is also widely regarded as funny: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/25/1049113893/dave-chappelle-response-netflix-special-lgbtq https://www.npr.org/2021/10/25/1049113893/dave-chappelle-res... How about someone who is not widely known, but still considered quite highly as a funny person? Here's what she literally said: "Jokes used to be accepted as jokes [...] Morality police now dictate what we can and can’t say. " - https://www.chortle.co.uk/correspondents/2023/02/10/52508/goodbye_comedy,_i_wont_miss_all_of_you_self-censoring_wimps https://www.chortle.co.uk/correspondents/2023/02/10/52508/go... Yup, the actual funny people are complaining that they can't make actual jokes anymore: https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/comedians-online-censorship-dore-long-polishchuk/ https://www.hollywoodintoto.com/comedians-online-censorship-... I feel you should think long and hard before making a statement as orthogonal to reality as "The least funny people complain about their inability to make jokes".
- bradjohnson 3y ago
  I think you're really missing the point, so I'm not going to go source my anecdote about regular people in a conversation about boys clubs in the office. I've summed it up quite thoroughly throughout this thread. If we really want to talk about these actual comedians (who are all very funny in their own right), I would say that Bill Burr is a snowflake who had a bad set, Dave Chappelle should really learn to not make jokes at the expense of people who are currently facing severe systemic oppression, and John Cleese is an over-reacting octogenarian, far past his prime and aligning himself with an anti-vax fake news network; not the arbiter of truth you think he is. They aren't coming across as particularly sympathetic to me, and the comedy scene will forget them if they're not able to adapt their material to a changing generation. Comedy is temporally bound and what is good comedy changes over time. People find different things funny, so there should be a diversity of choice in comedy. I've been to sets that I personally didn't find funny, but the audience was locals with a different sense of humour than me and they loved it. It wasn't bad, just not my style, but it didn't operate at the expense of someone else. I've been to sets where the comedian on stage floundered and lashed out at the audience for being too sensitive, and the next comedian killed it without being 'sensitive' to the audience, just by being funny. Here are some funny comedians that I've seen this year that managed to not be transphobic or align themselves with conspiracy theories about vaccinations: - Arthur Simeon - The Lucas Brothers - Malik Elassal - Alonzo Bodden - Joyelle Nicole Johnson - Fortune Feimster - Steph Tolev Plus a bunch of others that I can't remember off the top of my head. Check them out if you care to. I don't think any of them are complaining that they can't be funny anymore, they're doing just fine, and I think they're bringing fresh comedy to the scene. In my opinion, if the old guard wants to show themselves out because they feel like they can't compete, they should feel free to.

DonHopkins 3y ago

2014 called. They want you back to help them coordinate harassing, doxing, and threatening to rape women for Gamergate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_(harassment_campaign) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamergate_(harassment_campaign...

averageRoyalty 3y ago

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paulryanrogers 3y ago
That's a generous interpretation of the comment. IME "boys clubs" are largely a negative phenomenon I'd rather my loved ones avoid, or at least evaluate critically.
- averageRoyalty 3y ago
  Granted, I'm not saying it's a positive term or the one we should keep using, but it is the one we've ended up with.