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> People aren’t going to pay more so it is in fact not worth more. Source?

ianis-h 3y ago
Well... before Spotify people learnt to get digital music outside of platforms, they can learn it again Same with Disney, Netflix, etc.
imgabe 3y ago
Spotify is a for-profit company and if they could raise prices without losing customers they would.
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago
  Circular reasoning. You are basically arguing that for-profit companies never make mistakes, know everything,etc. Is that were true, disruption and startups wouldn't exist
  - halJordan 3y ago
    It only seems circular because you're being pointed back to the beginning of the argument, instead of the person breaking it down barney style for you to shift the goalposts.
    - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
      To me your post comes across as trying to draw a distinction between two different types of tautologies. Neither is a valid argument to begin with. The goalpost is formal logic, they do not shift, I am not shifting anything; Argument of a form ‘data X,Y,Z shows Spotify is priced correctly’ would be valid. ‘Spotify have priced correctly because they are <insert definition of Spotify>’ is not logically valid. Like in formal logic, it cannot be valid.
      - imgabe 3y ago
        If you are wondering if there is baking soda in a container, you could pour some vinegar in there. If there is no bubbling of carbon dioxide, then there was no baking soda. This is not circular logic, this is an observation that necessary evidence that would have accompanied the existence of something isn’t there, so the thing itself isn’t there.
- brigandish 3y ago
  It may be that they're looking to create a monopoly and price competitors out of the market, and will raise prices (but probably not payments) when/if they succeed. Or perhaps they have already? I don't know of a real competitor to Spotify. Edit: by real competitor, I mean one that most people will know and hence, can compete. Even monopolies like Google and Facebook have competitors that some random person I ask is likely to know about. Not sure I could say that of Tidal et al.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    Like they are going to actually going to survive a price war with trillion dollar market cap companies like Apple, Amazon and Google.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Supposedly. They have never made a profit. Heck even if they did raise prices, the record labels will always get 70% of thier revenue.
  - smugma 3y ago
    *They were profitable last quarter. They’ve never made an annual profit. Spotify is reluctant to raise prices because it is still focused on growth and also, raising prices doesn’t really improve its margins (it has 75% COGS).
- squigz 3y ago
  I don't understand this logic. Companies aren't omniscient; they can make mistakes, they can lack some information, etc. They will not inherently make the best choices at the best time just because ... capitalism?
xeromal 3y ago
Capitalism

Well... before Spotify people learnt to get digital music outside of platforms, they can learn it again Same with Disney, Netflix, etc.

imgabe 3y ago

Spotify is a for-profit company and if they could raise prices without losing customers they would.

ClumsyPilot 3y ago
Circular reasoning. You are basically arguing that for-profit companies never make mistakes, know everything,etc. Is that were true, disruption and startups wouldn't exist
- halJordan 3y ago
  It only seems circular because you're being pointed back to the beginning of the argument, instead of the person breaking it down barney style for you to shift the goalposts.
  - ClumsyPilot 3y ago
    To me your post comes across as trying to draw a distinction between two different types of tautologies. Neither is a valid argument to begin with. The goalpost is formal logic, they do not shift, I am not shifting anything; Argument of a form ‘data X,Y,Z shows Spotify is priced correctly’ would be valid. ‘Spotify have priced correctly because they are <insert definition of Spotify>’ is not logically valid. Like in formal logic, it cannot be valid.
    - imgabe 3y ago
      If you are wondering if there is baking soda in a container, you could pour some vinegar in there. If there is no bubbling of carbon dioxide, then there was no baking soda. This is not circular logic, this is an observation that necessary evidence that would have accompanied the existence of something isn’t there, so the thing itself isn’t there.
brigandish 3y ago
It may be that they're looking to create a monopoly and price competitors out of the market, and will raise prices (but probably not payments) when/if they succeed. Or perhaps they have already? I don't know of a real competitor to Spotify. Edit: by real competitor, I mean one that most people will know and hence, can compete. Even monopolies like Google and Facebook have competitors that some random person I ask is likely to know about. Not sure I could say that of Tidal et al.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  Like they are going to actually going to survive a price war with trillion dollar market cap companies like Apple, Amazon and Google.
scarface_74 3y ago
Supposedly. They have never made a profit. Heck even if they did raise prices, the record labels will always get 70% of thier revenue.
- smugma 3y ago
  *They were profitable last quarter. They’ve never made an annual profit. Spotify is reluctant to raise prices because it is still focused on growth and also, raising prices doesn’t really improve its margins (it has 75% COGS).
squigz 3y ago
I don't understand this logic. Companies aren't omniscient; they can make mistakes, they can lack some information, etc. They will not inherently make the best choices at the best time just because ... capitalism?

xeromal 3y ago

Capitalism