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Somehow caring about every citizen is too hard? Nobody reasonable is against helping those who need it. It doesn't have to be at the cost of giving a shit about

Somehow caring about every citizen is too hard? Nobody reasonable is against helping those who need it. It doesn't have to be at the cost of giving a shit about everyone else. But keep making up reasons to favor the status quo without activating any new synapses.

ameister14 3y ago
Let's get into the "at the cost of giving a shit about everyone else" part - do you think that, prior to anti-discrimination laws intended to create an even playing field, everyone got some kind of benefit that they no longer get? If so, you are mistaken. In the United States, we do not have and have never had a system that cares about every citizen. We just don't. What we have are limits to cruelty and a general concept of fairness as a base starting point for life. ADA compliance especially does not give the disabled an advantage over others. It is an attempt to level things and an acknowledgment that assistance is necessary for some people to enter the workplace as otherwise they would not physically be able to do so. Most of the other protected classes are based on the Constitution - not including pregnant women and women that may become pregnant, as a sub-class, who are classically discriminated against in the workplace and elsewhere and forced out of their jobs on a regular basis. So when someone, you in this instance, complains about "not being worth protecting" in comparison to a group that is routinely disadvantaged or innately vulnerable, it creates the appearance in people listening or reading their words that they are extremely naive and/or a cruel, mean person. This perception is something a person who is neither of those things should consider before speaking or posting about subjects like this one.
- zlg_codes 3y ago
  That's a lot of words to basically tell me to shut up, I'm a bigot. Let's see where this country is when those like me rightfully sit and do nothing to defend it. There is a cost for acting like certain citizens matter more than others.
  - ameister14 3y ago
    It wasn't, actually, it was saying that if you aren't a bigot you should be careful with your words because you are currently giving that impression. People who are upset that handicapped and vulnerable people get help or are protected by the government don't usually stand up and defend anything at all, in my experience. So no real change there.
    - zlg_codes 3y ago
      If people had reading comprehension they'd already know I'm not bigoted toward disabled people. People want to make a problem because I dared to suggest our country protect all of its people. There's nothing morally wrong with my stance. I'm not bitching and moaning at a parking space or a ramp. I'm bitching about the fact my country will never act to protect me, because I don't fit the intersectional chart. Identity-based protection is discrimination. Make excuses all you want but I'll abandon any group that won't offer me equal protection.
      - ameister14 3y ago
        So you're just a socialist, then? Weird way to put it.
        zlg_codes 3y ago
        No, I want my country to honor its founding document, specifically the 14th amendment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
        ameister14 3y ago
        The 14th amendment isn't a part of the founding document, and it does. If you are in a similar circumstance to someone, you are treated the same. If you are in a wheelchair and someone else isn't, you are not in the same circumstances. Your point really seems to be 'why doesn't the government give me exactly the same thing they give the less fortunate.' The answer is, you don't need it to put yourself in a position to compete. They do.

ameister14 3y ago

Let's get into the "at the cost of giving a shit about everyone else" part - do you think that, prior to anti-discrimination laws intended to create an even playing field, everyone got some kind of benefit that they no longer get? If so, you are mistaken. In the United States, we do not have and have never had a system that cares about every citizen. We just don't. What we have are limits to cruelty and a general concept of fairness as a base starting point for life. ADA compliance especially does not give the disabled an advantage over others. It is an attempt to level things and an acknowledgment that assistance is necessary for some people to enter the workplace as otherwise they would not physically be able to do so. Most of the other protected classes are based on the Constitution - not including pregnant women and women that may become pregnant, as a sub-class, who are classically discriminated against in the workplace and elsewhere and forced out of their jobs on a regular basis. So when someone, you in this instance, complains about "not being worth protecting" in comparison to a group that is routinely disadvantaged or innately vulnerable, it creates the appearance in people listening or reading their words that they are extremely naive and/or a cruel, mean person. This perception is something a person who is neither of those things should consider before speaking or posting about subjects like this one.

zlg_codes 3y ago
That's a lot of words to basically tell me to shut up, I'm a bigot. Let's see where this country is when those like me rightfully sit and do nothing to defend it. There is a cost for acting like certain citizens matter more than others.
- ameister14 3y ago
  It wasn't, actually, it was saying that if you aren't a bigot you should be careful with your words because you are currently giving that impression. People who are upset that handicapped and vulnerable people get help or are protected by the government don't usually stand up and defend anything at all, in my experience. So no real change there.
  - zlg_codes 3y ago
    If people had reading comprehension they'd already know I'm not bigoted toward disabled people. People want to make a problem because I dared to suggest our country protect all of its people. There's nothing morally wrong with my stance. I'm not bitching and moaning at a parking space or a ramp. I'm bitching about the fact my country will never act to protect me, because I don't fit the intersectional chart. Identity-based protection is discrimination. Make excuses all you want but I'll abandon any group that won't offer me equal protection.
    - ameister14 3y ago
      So you're just a socialist, then? Weird way to put it.
      - zlg_codes 3y ago
        No, I want my country to honor its founding document, specifically the 14th amendment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause
        ameister14 3y ago
        The 14th amendment isn't a part of the founding document, and it does. If you are in a similar circumstance to someone, you are treated the same. If you are in a wheelchair and someone else isn't, you are not in the same circumstances. Your point really seems to be 'why doesn't the government give me exactly the same thing they give the less fortunate.' The answer is, you don't need it to put yourself in a position to compete. They do.