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Ahh yes, the guy who blames NATO for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. As I'm sure everyone here is aware, NATO is a defensive alliance, so the only threat it po
by paradox242 3y ago
Ahh yes, the guy who blames NATO for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. As I'm sure everyone here is aware, NATO is a defensive alliance, so the only threat it poses is in reaction to an expansionist Russia which threatens the sovereignty of their neighbors. Now, I doubt even Mearsheimer would dispute this last point, and I'm sure he repeats all of the Russian talking points about wanting a permanent base in the Black Sea, and how unfair it is that the borders of Ukraine include Crimea, blah, blah, blah.
Please John, remind me when it was that NATO drew up the borders of the Ukraine SSR, or when, no doubt as a deliberate provocation, NATO gifted the Crimea to Ukraine. Or when NATO organized a mercenary force to illegally occupy the Donbas and annex Crimea? Surely, NATO is also responsible for Russian troops in Georgia and Moldova? John's point of view only makes sense if you consider Russia's territorial claims on their neighbors to be legitimate, which I think most people would agree they are not. If anything, we have done too little to help Ukraine prior to the current conflict, and too little to deter Putin.
- LargeTomato 3y agoFrom what I understand, JM doesn't believe in legitimate and immediate claims. He believes that nation states act in their own best interest and that the stronger party generally wins. It's not a statement about morality, it's trying to be objective. You on the other hand, not only do you lay out a heart throbbing argument full of moral claims but you severely misunderstand the argument you're even arguing against. You don't have to agree with JM but at least make sure you understand what he's talking about.