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I will never get people who have never been in the wild salivating at the idea of having 500Mbit broadband while in the wild. That's overkill in a city, let alo

I will never get people who have never been in the wild salivating at the idea of having 500Mbit broadband while in the wild. That's overkill in a city, let alone while you are busy enjoying Nature. I mean this company is solely based on this idea of bringing broadband to the wild, because if God forbid any ICBMs are ever launched they'd be launched all at once so even if the booster makes it back thanks to SpaceX tech the US/NATO would have no MIRVs to re-load. My infrastructure bet is on 5G and fiber to dominate connectivity, however my poker mind would love to scoop some SpaceX shares to offload to bigger fools down the road, for some reason people have this weird fetish about Space irregardless of practical applications. Ever since the Apollo days.

stcredzero 3y ago
I will never get people who have never been in the wild salivating at the idea of having broadband while in the wild. 1) This isn't just for people, "in the wild." If you're just rural enough to not have broadband, Starlink is one of your best options. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn_prpVDMRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn_prpVDMRo This is going to be a huge boon for the 3rd world! Also note how much of a benefit it was to Ukraine. (And no, Elon Musk didn't cut off bandwidth from Ukraine. That's demonstrably false media spin.) 2) If you've ever felt screwed by your broadband ISP, but had no other choice -- know that this still happens to people in 2023. My infrastructure bet is on 5G and fiber to dominate connectivity, however my poker mind would love to scoop some SpaceX shares to offload to bigger fools down the road. Folks like Jim Chanos have lost billions betting against Elon. And lots of people have made their fortunes taking him at face value. (I'm one!)
- chasd00 3y ago
  > Folks like Jim Chanos have lost billions betting against Elon. Yeah like him or not there’s much easier money to be made than betting on Musk’s failure.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    > > Yeah like him or not there’s much easier money to be made than betting on Musk’s failure. The infrastructure part of my portfolio is not betting on Musk failure but on 5G and Fiber success, which is a given considering that regardless of what the cultists say the majority of people live in urban areas and the % is only increasing. Lagos will be 100M by 2065 and VERY dense, fiber cable and 5G towers with a 5mi range makes way more sense at such population densities than 20,000 km back and forth with a dish . Also developing countries have a huge problem because Sat Dish get stolen by thugs, but of course the cultists sending 50k deposits for cars that will never be built they never had to deal with poverty nor thugs. Lacking skepticism and antibodies to salesmen they represnt the perfect target for predators.
    - inemesitaffia 3y ago
      I've been to Lagos, pretty much every techie (working remotely) that doesn't have 5G or Fiber has starlink because they already have modems for the 6 providers in Lagos available to them.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > And lots of people have made their fortunes taking him at face value. (I'm one!) Congrats, that's only half of the battle though, in order to make the bag worthwhile you need to avoid getting screwed when you convert your $TSLA money into stuff and experiences, lots of savvy salespeople in the real estate, vehicles and hospitality sector looking for fools to take them at face value. Watch out because the next salesman you take at face value will sell you a 75k package for the Vegas GP and you'll end up with seats obstructed by rails and a 1 sec handshake with one of the (retired) drivers.
  - TacticalCoder 3y ago
    > ... lots of savvy salespeople in the real estate, vehicles and hospitality sector looking for fools to take them at face value. That's not wrong but if they were that savvy they'd be the ones sitting on a fortune, without needing to being leeches living of the fortune made by others.
    - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
      Apples and oranges Making money by selling overpriced stuff face to face is a totally different feeling than making money on the stock market because a company was propelled to all time highs for trillions of reason outside of your control catching lobsters with traps vs fishing swordfishes. Some people are wired to do one vs the other
- wredue 3y ago
  >just false media spin Musk himself states he personally ordered starlink interruptions for Ukraine…
  - signatoremo 3y ago
    Where did you read that? Check this interview with Ukraine’s military intelligence boss. See for yourself: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/exclusive-interview-with-ukraines-spy-boss-from-his-dc-hotel-room https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/exclusive-interview-wi...
    - wredue 3y ago
      I looked up your bogus claims on google and nearly the first 3 pages of results were Elon muck himself stating he disrupted the connectivity. >thedrive I don’t really care what conservative propaganda pieces have to say on the topic on Ukraine.
      - inemesitaffia 3y ago
        This is an interview with Ukraine's top spy. i.e Ukrainian propaganda undiluted
Gustomaximus 3y ago
As someone living in the wild (actually rural), people out here have businesses and we were in dire need of broadband to run them, plus the usual lifestyle benifits. It's not all sitting around enjoying natures view. As for 5G it has a ~500m range. Are telcos going to daisy chain towers down peoples driveways to reach one customer? 500m is not far in many rural and remote areas.
- latchkey 3y ago
  If you go to Vietnam, which is about the size and shape of California, and travel around the entire country, the government owns the cell towers and there was excellent 4G reception in even the most remote areas. This was back in 2018-2020 when I was exploring all around there. I've done the same explorations in California and reception was 1000x worse. My point is, yes... it is possible...
  - Gustomaximus 3y ago
    1) Swapping to discuss 4G, is not 5G. It does have better coverage but will increasingly limit people as bandwidth requirements ever increase. 2) Vietnam/California are quite densely populated compared to the majority of the world so even if this worked here (but doesn't) one still cant assume its a wider solution. 3) Vietnam does have a significant mobile blackspots: https://www.nperf.com/en/map/VN/-/167.Viettel-Mobile/signal/?ll=12.46876014482322&lg=108.90472412109376&zoom=7 https://www.nperf.com/en/map/VN/-/167.Viettel-Mobile/signal/... So, sure anything is possible, but a good solution, far from it from what I can see.
    - latchkey 3y ago
      1) I left Vietnam in Jan 2020 (couldn't go back thanks to covid), so that's where my knowledge stops. 5G wasn't being rolled out yet. 3) A lot of those empty places are where nobody lives. All the major spots are well covered. I spent 2 years on a motorbike traveling the entire country and including into many super remote areas... I never once had coverage issues.
  - belltaco 3y ago
davkan 3y ago
Starlink is an actual order of magnitude faster than the next best option (centurylink dsl) in my town of 2k people. Considering that we never even got broadband out here its been great. Starlink has applications beyond an off-grid cabin in the backwoods, if only because ISPs have utterly failed the rural broadband mandate. And as an elon anti-fan it pains me to pay him monthly.
jwells89 3y ago
Normally 5G and fiber would win out because on paper, they’re cheaper and more practical. It’s more complicated than that, though, at least in the US. Big telcos have little interest in rural connectivity because it’s not ever going to bring in the metro area revenue they crave. Smaller telcos and new entrants struggle with obstruction from big telcos, NIMBYs, and local politicians who won’t let anything through unless they’re getting a cut of the pie among other things. Starlink and similar constellations neatly sidestep a lot of those issues, at least for now.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > at least in the US The US has 83% people living in urban areas and only increasing
  - 627467 3y ago
    Decent broadband is probably not the main reason for urbanization but it doesn't help that economics will never make sense for non-urband broadband (and other stuff)
inglor_cz 3y ago
Perhaps those people are mining some unobtainium that is crucial for our cushy urban lives ... ?
tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago
I'm just looking forward to having true broadband and/or at least somewhat reliable tolerable-bandwidth (as in single digit Mbps) connectivity in Germany outside of major cities. SpaceX sadly seems like the most likely way of that happening.
- mlindner 3y ago
  It's already available in Germany.
SkyPuncher 3y ago
I live on the edge of a small city. I have one option for internet above 20Mbps. It’s fine, but I would absolutely love a better option. Prior to this, I lived in a small city. One internet option for most of the time. It took a terrible route to get to the nearer major city, meaning I had huge amounts of latency for just about everything.

stcredzero 3y ago

I will never get people who have never been in the wild salivating at the idea of having broadband while in the wild. 1) This isn't just for people, "in the wild." If you're just rural enough to not have broadband, Starlink is one of your best options. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn_prpVDMRo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn_prpVDMRo This is going to be a huge boon for the 3rd world! Also note how much of a benefit it was to Ukraine. (And no, Elon Musk didn't cut off bandwidth from Ukraine. That's demonstrably false media spin.) 2) If you've ever felt screwed by your broadband ISP, but had no other choice -- know that this still happens to people in 2023. My infrastructure bet is on 5G and fiber to dominate connectivity, however my poker mind would love to scoop some SpaceX shares to offload to bigger fools down the road. Folks like Jim Chanos have lost billions betting against Elon. And lots of people have made their fortunes taking him at face value. (I'm one!)

chasd00 3y ago
> Folks like Jim Chanos have lost billions betting against Elon. Yeah like him or not there’s much easier money to be made than betting on Musk’s failure.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > Yeah like him or not there’s much easier money to be made than betting on Musk’s failure. The infrastructure part of my portfolio is not betting on Musk failure but on 5G and Fiber success, which is a given considering that regardless of what the cultists say the majority of people live in urban areas and the % is only increasing. Lagos will be 100M by 2065 and VERY dense, fiber cable and 5G towers with a 5mi range makes way more sense at such population densities than 20,000 km back and forth with a dish . Also developing countries have a huge problem because Sat Dish get stolen by thugs, but of course the cultists sending 50k deposits for cars that will never be built they never had to deal with poverty nor thugs. Lacking skepticism and antibodies to salesmen they represnt the perfect target for predators.
  - inemesitaffia 3y ago
    I've been to Lagos, pretty much every techie (working remotely) that doesn't have 5G or Fiber has starlink because they already have modems for the 6 providers in Lagos available to them.
JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > And lots of people have made their fortunes taking him at face value. (I'm one!) Congrats, that's only half of the battle though, in order to make the bag worthwhile you need to avoid getting screwed when you convert your $TSLA money into stuff and experiences, lots of savvy salespeople in the real estate, vehicles and hospitality sector looking for fools to take them at face value. Watch out because the next salesman you take at face value will sell you a 75k package for the Vegas GP and you'll end up with seats obstructed by rails and a 1 sec handshake with one of the (retired) drivers.
- TacticalCoder 3y ago
  > ... lots of savvy salespeople in the real estate, vehicles and hospitality sector looking for fools to take them at face value. That's not wrong but if they were that savvy they'd be the ones sitting on a fortune, without needing to being leeches living of the fortune made by others.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    Apples and oranges Making money by selling overpriced stuff face to face is a totally different feeling than making money on the stock market because a company was propelled to all time highs for trillions of reason outside of your control catching lobsters with traps vs fishing swordfishes. Some people are wired to do one vs the other
wredue 3y ago
>just false media spin Musk himself states he personally ordered starlink interruptions for Ukraine…
- signatoremo 3y ago
  Where did you read that? Check this interview with Ukraine’s military intelligence boss. See for yourself: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/exclusive-interview-with-ukraines-spy-boss-from-his-dc-hotel-room https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/exclusive-interview-wi...
  - wredue 3y ago
    I looked up your bogus claims on google and nearly the first 3 pages of results were Elon muck himself stating he disrupted the connectivity. >thedrive I don’t really care what conservative propaganda pieces have to say on the topic on Ukraine.
    - inemesitaffia 3y ago
      This is an interview with Ukraine's top spy. i.e Ukrainian propaganda undiluted

Gustomaximus 3y ago

As someone living in the wild (actually rural), people out here have businesses and we were in dire need of broadband to run them, plus the usual lifestyle benifits. It's not all sitting around enjoying natures view. As for 5G it has a ~500m range. Are telcos going to daisy chain towers down peoples driveways to reach one customer? 500m is not far in many rural and remote areas.

latchkey 3y ago
If you go to Vietnam, which is about the size and shape of California, and travel around the entire country, the government owns the cell towers and there was excellent 4G reception in even the most remote areas. This was back in 2018-2020 when I was exploring all around there. I've done the same explorations in California and reception was 1000x worse. My point is, yes... it is possible...
- Gustomaximus 3y ago
  1) Swapping to discuss 4G, is not 5G. It does have better coverage but will increasingly limit people as bandwidth requirements ever increase. 2) Vietnam/California are quite densely populated compared to the majority of the world so even if this worked here (but doesn't) one still cant assume its a wider solution. 3) Vietnam does have a significant mobile blackspots: https://www.nperf.com/en/map/VN/-/167.Viettel-Mobile/signal/?ll=12.46876014482322&lg=108.90472412109376&zoom=7 https://www.nperf.com/en/map/VN/-/167.Viettel-Mobile/signal/... So, sure anything is possible, but a good solution, far from it from what I can see.
  - latchkey 3y ago
    1) I left Vietnam in Jan 2020 (couldn't go back thanks to covid), so that's where my knowledge stops. 5G wasn't being rolled out yet. 3) A lot of those empty places are where nobody lives. All the major spots are well covered. I spent 2 years on a motorbike traveling the entire country and including into many super remote areas... I never once had coverage issues.
- belltaco 3y ago

davkan 3y ago

Starlink is an actual order of magnitude faster than the next best option (centurylink dsl) in my town of 2k people. Considering that we never even got broadband out here its been great. Starlink has applications beyond an off-grid cabin in the backwoods, if only because ISPs have utterly failed the rural broadband mandate. And as an elon anti-fan it pains me to pay him monthly.

jwells89 3y ago

Normally 5G and fiber would win out because on paper, they’re cheaper and more practical. It’s more complicated than that, though, at least in the US. Big telcos have little interest in rural connectivity because it’s not ever going to bring in the metro area revenue they crave. Smaller telcos and new entrants struggle with obstruction from big telcos, NIMBYs, and local politicians who won’t let anything through unless they’re getting a cut of the pie among other things. Starlink and similar constellations neatly sidestep a lot of those issues, at least for now.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > at least in the US The US has 83% people living in urban areas and only increasing
- 627467 3y ago
  Decent broadband is probably not the main reason for urbanization but it doesn't help that economics will never make sense for non-urband broadband (and other stuff)

inglor_cz 3y ago

Perhaps those people are mining some unobtainium that is crucial for our cushy urban lives ... ?

tgsovlerkhgsel 3y ago

I'm just looking forward to having true broadband and/or at least somewhat reliable tolerable-bandwidth (as in single digit Mbps) connectivity in Germany outside of major cities. SpaceX sadly seems like the most likely way of that happening.

mlindner 3y ago
It's already available in Germany.

SkyPuncher 3y ago

I live on the edge of a small city. I have one option for internet above 20Mbps. It’s fine, but I would absolutely love a better option. Prior to this, I lived in a small city. One internet option for most of the time. It took a terrible route to get to the nearer major city, meaning I had huge amounts of latency for just about everything.