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Few things: (a) a sealed indictment wrt the plot against Pannun (b) India openly told CIA that Pannun is a CIA asset, that’s why he was not taken out (c) India

Few things: (a) a sealed indictment wrt the plot against Pannun (b) India openly told CIA that Pannun is a CIA asset, that’s why he was not taken out (c) India wants this guy gone (d) Five eyes taps every diplomatic mission out there. See all these things in the recent Nijjar-Canada-India tussle. I believe both (b) and (c) are true. SIGINT(d) can hear the chatter that Indian diplomats talked about Pannun. Given the media is the lapdog of security agencies, we need more than (a) and what Bloomberg/NYtimes/Wapo/AP/FT says. That’s why I consider this saga as a manufactured consent. BTW, I’m not saying that Indian media is sacrosanct. There is a Punjabi gangs/politicians/khalistan/drug-trade/asylum-immigration-scam nexus.

smoldesu 3y ago
Those accusations don't change much. I know United States attained Indian communications by using their deeply-integrated FIVE EYES backdoor to identify the collusion to Canada. They actually announced it in the original press release, presumably because it's not bad press relative to the other ways the United States abuses counterintel. The system is unfair, and I'm not acquitting the US of all responsibility here either. On a global stage though, it should be obvious that nobody cares about this surveillance. We all pay for it and use it every day, and upgrade to new surveillance phones when they come out. Trying to whip up an anti-FIVE EYES sentiment is an obvious ploy by incumbent Indian conservatives (that already control local media) to get things under the radar. America will never declassify the entire report because they never do; any "tip of the hand" would show the world how deep they run. Imagine the fallout if a supposedly "encrypted" channel like WhatsApp or iMessage was abused? It would be Armageddon on the market with the defense sector to blame. America never rolls like that. There is not a single country on this planet without disdain for superior surveillance, but it the ends are not going to be worth the means in this situation. You just leveled some pretty damning accusations at America; now all you need is evidence and a living diplomat to prosecute and you could prove your point.

smoldesu 3y ago

Those accusations don't change much. I know United States attained Indian communications by using their deeply-integrated FIVE EYES backdoor to identify the collusion to Canada. They actually announced it in the original press release, presumably because it's not bad press relative to the other ways the United States abuses counterintel. The system is unfair, and I'm not acquitting the US of all responsibility here either. On a global stage though, it should be obvious that nobody cares about this surveillance. We all pay for it and use it every day, and upgrade to new surveillance phones when they come out. Trying to whip up an anti-FIVE EYES sentiment is an obvious ploy by incumbent Indian conservatives (that already control local media) to get things under the radar. America will never declassify the entire report because they never do; any "tip of the hand" would show the world how deep they run. Imagine the fallout if a supposedly "encrypted" channel like WhatsApp or iMessage was abused? It would be Armageddon on the market with the defense sector to blame. America never rolls like that. There is not a single country on this planet without disdain for superior surveillance, but it the ends are not going to be worth the means in this situation. You just leveled some pretty damning accusations at America; now all you need is evidence and a living diplomat to prosecute and you could prove your point.