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I once visited the Fremont factory for a week and was required to do safety training. The person went on about how the training is only in English and you must

I once visited the Fremont factory for a week and was required to do safety training. The person went on about how the training is only in English and you must know English to complete it. He had everyone say hi and something about themselves and about 1/3 didn’t speak any English. He just decided to keep going anyways and everyone completed safety training. I’m not sure how typical that is in the industry. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that it’s totally normal.

paulryanrogers 3y ago
OSHA asleep at the wheel?
- ysavir 3y ago
  That's alright, they got full self driving
  - arcticbull 3y ago
    Must be in a WayMo then.
ggm 3y ago
During the early 19th Century Ford paid for mandatory language lessons, to make cheaper immigrant labour viable in his plant. (he was remarkably "socialist" at times, for an avowed racist nazi-supporting anti-unionist providing high quality housing and out-bidding his competitors on wages. Strange man.) During the worst periods of South African apartheid, the mining industry had it's own lingua franca which it taught all migrant workers coming into the deep mines.
- armatav 3y ago
  They just spoke Afrikaans; still common to the mines/rural jobs today, regardless of genetics.
  - ggm 3y ago
    Odd. I have a history book I can't lay my hands on right now (books in storage) which said there was a mining jargon for the Swahili, Xhosa, Sesotho and Swazi workers they all had to learn. It's called Fanakalo. Apparently its like a pidgin with a lot of Bantu. But if you say they gave up and just used Africaans I can believe it.
    - hobs 3y ago
      https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/fanakalo-language-mining-culture https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/fanakalo-language-minin...
- colechristensen 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    Bogus meme that fascists love repeating endlessly
  - arcticbull 3y ago
    > The “zi” in Nazi is for socialism. This is so absurd, because it relies on the premise that if something has a name, that name must accurately represent the thing. After all if it did not, why would they call it that? Why indeed. We know this is obviously false by counterexample. The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea isn't exactly a democracy no matter which 'bits you scratch out', is it? > States which (as of 2022) use the term "Democratic Republic" in their official names also include many that do not hold free elections and have been rated as "undemocratic" or "unfree" by organizations that gave such ratings. Algeria, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, North Korea, Laos, Nepal, and the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic do not hold free elections and are rated as undemocratic "hybrid regimes" or "authoritarian regimes" by the Democracy Index (The Economist).[1] The lesson here is to watch what people do, not what they say or call themselves. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic
    - colechristensen 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - etchalon 3y ago
        A more enjoyable exercise is to read the full 25 point plan, leaving in the obvious antisemitism and fascistic rhetoric, because while the party gave voice to some socialist ideals early in its life, many if not most of those were abandoned as it rose to power. The final form of the Nazi Party was hardly socialist, to the point where communists, socialists and union supporters were specifically targeted for arrest, erasure and death after it assumed national power in 1933. There's a reason Niemoller's famous quote begins: "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist." The type of editing you've done here is deeply dishonest. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-party-platform https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-party...
- HWR_14 3y ago
  How was Ford socialist, in this example or elsewhere?
  - ggm 3y ago
    He paid living wage, provided affordable safe housing and had (for the time) racially diverse hiring (as long as you weren't Jewish I guess). He certainly wasn't in favour of organised labour, collective ownership of the means of production, or anything remotely approaching democratic socialism. My language was to outcome not belief. "A fair day's pay for a fair day's work" was a banner slogan he got behind to defeat his competitors. Of course with his obsessional belief in time and motion study (Taylorism) what he thought was fair, was completely inhumane. He refused to recognise unions & collective bargaining for decades. He was a complete scumbag, personally as far as I'm concerned. But paying high, employing black workers and immigrants, and fixing housing isn't bad.
- doubloon 3y ago
  Nazi is literally short for National Socialist

paulryanrogers 3y ago

OSHA asleep at the wheel?

ysavir 3y ago
That's alright, they got full self driving
- arcticbull 3y ago
  Must be in a WayMo then.

ggm 3y ago

During the early 19th Century Ford paid for mandatory language lessons, to make cheaper immigrant labour viable in his plant. (he was remarkably "socialist" at times, for an avowed racist nazi-supporting anti-unionist providing high quality housing and out-bidding his competitors on wages. Strange man.) During the worst periods of South African apartheid, the mining industry had it's own lingua franca which it taught all migrant workers coming into the deep mines.

armatav 3y ago
They just spoke Afrikaans; still common to the mines/rural jobs today, regardless of genetics.
- ggm 3y ago
  Odd. I have a history book I can't lay my hands on right now (books in storage) which said there was a mining jargon for the Swahili, Xhosa, Sesotho and Swazi workers they all had to learn. It's called Fanakalo. Apparently its like a pidgin with a lot of Bantu. But if you say they gave up and just used Africaans I can believe it.
  - hobs 3y ago
    https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/fanakalo-language-mining-culture https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/fanakalo-language-minin...
colechristensen 3y ago
[flagged]
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  Bogus meme that fascists love repeating endlessly
- arcticbull 3y ago
  > The “zi” in Nazi is for socialism. This is so absurd, because it relies on the premise that if something has a name, that name must accurately represent the thing. After all if it did not, why would they call it that? Why indeed. We know this is obviously false by counterexample. The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea isn't exactly a democracy no matter which 'bits you scratch out', is it? > States which (as of 2022) use the term "Democratic Republic" in their official names also include many that do not hold free elections and have been rated as "undemocratic" or "unfree" by organizations that gave such ratings. Algeria, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, North Korea, Laos, Nepal, and the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic do not hold free elections and are rated as undemocratic "hybrid regimes" or "authoritarian regimes" by the Democracy Index (The Economist).[1] The lesson here is to watch what people do, not what they say or call themselves. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_republic
  - colechristensen 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - etchalon 3y ago
      A more enjoyable exercise is to read the full 25 point plan, leaving in the obvious antisemitism and fascistic rhetoric, because while the party gave voice to some socialist ideals early in its life, many if not most of those were abandoned as it rose to power. The final form of the Nazi Party was hardly socialist, to the point where communists, socialists and union supporters were specifically targeted for arrest, erasure and death after it assumed national power in 1933. There's a reason Niemoller's famous quote begins: "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist." The type of editing you've done here is deeply dishonest. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-party-platform https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/nazi-party...
HWR_14 3y ago
How was Ford socialist, in this example or elsewhere?
- ggm 3y ago
  He paid living wage, provided affordable safe housing and had (for the time) racially diverse hiring (as long as you weren't Jewish I guess). He certainly wasn't in favour of organised labour, collective ownership of the means of production, or anything remotely approaching democratic socialism. My language was to outcome not belief. "A fair day's pay for a fair day's work" was a banner slogan he got behind to defeat his competitors. Of course with his obsessional belief in time and motion study (Taylorism) what he thought was fair, was completely inhumane. He refused to recognise unions & collective bargaining for decades. He was a complete scumbag, personally as far as I'm concerned. But paying high, employing black workers and immigrants, and fixing housing isn't bad.
doubloon 3y ago
Nazi is literally short for National Socialist