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Every time Munger is mentioned here, this comes up. If it's so obvious to every random joe with exactly zero experience designing buildings, why did Charlie ig

Every time Munger is mentioned here, this comes up. If it's so obvious to every random joe with exactly zero experience designing buildings, why did Charlie ignore it? Have you actually considered his design, or is this just a kneejerk reaction?

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foobarqux 3y ago
Should students who live in them decide or should a billionaire make them live where he wants them to?
- oh_sigh 3y ago
  Has any group of students ever decided how to design their on campus housing, or has that 100% of the time fell to a licensed architect?
  - foobarqux 3y ago
    I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Normally students would be able to say that they don't want windowless dorms. In this case Munger said that if they didn't build windowless dorms they wouldn't get dorms at all. What does this have to do with architects?
    - IncreasePosts 3y ago
      Students generally don't have much say over the design of their dorms. And 80% of students who toured a demo space were positive or neutral on it. No, Munger didn't say they would get no dorms at all if they didn't build it. He said he would not give them $200M if they didn't follow his plans. I'm not aware of his ability to unilaterally prevent the building of dorms on any campus. What this has to do with architects is that architects don't sign off on unlivable spaces.
      - foobarqux 3y ago
        > Students generally don't have much say over the design of their dorms. They generally don't care that much. If they care a lot about windows in the dorms should they be able to decide? > And 80% of students who toured a demo space were positive or neutral on it. Are they deciding if they get windows or not? > He said he would not give them $200M if they didn't follow his plans. Right, they needed dorms, Munger said I will give you dorms but I will make you live without windows because it pleases me. As far as I know they didn't have any alternatives. > What this has to do with architects is that architects don't sign off on unlivable spaces. The issue isn't whether the space is unlivable, it's whether the students are deciding on what spaces they are living in or are the subject to the depravities of a billionaire. By your logic why can't Munger mandate that full sized murals of himself be painted in every room, or that they have to eat gruel or whatever else entertains him?
  - dghlsakjg 3y ago
    Who, it should be said, have done some atrocious student housing. I lived in dorms that were, to put it as a roommate did, designed in the same tradition as the Albuquerque jail.
mpalmer 3y ago
I can see I've touched a nerve among Munger fans. I don't know where you're getting random Joes. The bulk of criticism for this design is from architects. Why did Charlie ignore it? Great question. Anyway, they cancelled the building a few months ago.
- oh_sigh 3y ago
  No, I don't give a shit about Charlie. I do dislike uninformed kneejerk reactions though. No, the bulk of the criticism has come from uninformed joes like yourself. Some architects have spoken out against it, and some have spoken for it.
  - mpalmer 3y ago
    > I do dislike uninformed kneejerk reactions though. Your strength of feeling on the matter is literally incredible.
    - IncreasePosts 3y ago
      It's incredible that I don't like uninformed knee jerk reactions? Okay, to each their own. In any case, how much or little I care about it is irrelevant to whether it is an uninformed kneejerk reaction. But hey, however strong I feel, it must be less than how much pg does, since he wrote an entire essay on middlebrow dismissal
      - mpalmer 3y ago
        Oh, are you the same person as oh_sigh? Good to know.
        IncreasePosts 3y ago
        Yup, sorry. I started responding on my phone which has a different account logged in.
      - maxbond 3y ago
jhbadger 3y ago
Munger is not a trained architect. Just as I would not want to undergo surgery by someone without a medical degree, I wouldn't want to live in a building not designed by an actual architect. Being rich doesn't suddenly make you an expert in all fields.
- IncreasePosts 3y ago
  Large buildings cannot be built in America without the sign off of licensed architect. No architect would sign off on the building of it was an unlivable monstrosity.
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  - defrost 3y ago
    That's simply untrue. You can find at least one of <almost any profession> in America who will happily sign off on dubious work in exchange for $$$. That's capitalism for you. Yes, there are people with high standards and ethics, but it'd be hard work to find a professional niche that was solely made up of people that couldn't be influenced by a chequebook. An ugly building is a no brainer .. it's not like it's teetering on the verge of collapse and about to kill all the residents.
    - IncreasePosts 3y ago
      I can't believe there are many architects signing off for money on dubious designs, since they wouldn't be architects for long as soon as one thing went wrong with the building.
- jacobr1 3y ago
  Did he not get professionals to translate his designs into something firmer?

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foobarqux 3y ago

Should students who live in them decide or should a billionaire make them live where he wants them to?

oh_sigh 3y ago
Has any group of students ever decided how to design their on campus housing, or has that 100% of the time fell to a licensed architect?
- foobarqux 3y ago
  I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Normally students would be able to say that they don't want windowless dorms. In this case Munger said that if they didn't build windowless dorms they wouldn't get dorms at all. What does this have to do with architects?
  - IncreasePosts 3y ago
    Students generally don't have much say over the design of their dorms. And 80% of students who toured a demo space were positive or neutral on it. No, Munger didn't say they would get no dorms at all if they didn't build it. He said he would not give them $200M if they didn't follow his plans. I'm not aware of his ability to unilaterally prevent the building of dorms on any campus. What this has to do with architects is that architects don't sign off on unlivable spaces.
    - foobarqux 3y ago
      > Students generally don't have much say over the design of their dorms. They generally don't care that much. If they care a lot about windows in the dorms should they be able to decide? > And 80% of students who toured a demo space were positive or neutral on it. Are they deciding if they get windows or not? > He said he would not give them $200M if they didn't follow his plans. Right, they needed dorms, Munger said I will give you dorms but I will make you live without windows because it pleases me. As far as I know they didn't have any alternatives. > What this has to do with architects is that architects don't sign off on unlivable spaces. The issue isn't whether the space is unlivable, it's whether the students are deciding on what spaces they are living in or are the subject to the depravities of a billionaire. By your logic why can't Munger mandate that full sized murals of himself be painted in every room, or that they have to eat gruel or whatever else entertains him?
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  Who, it should be said, have done some atrocious student housing. I lived in dorms that were, to put it as a roommate did, designed in the same tradition as the Albuquerque jail.

mpalmer 3y ago

I can see I've touched a nerve among Munger fans. I don't know where you're getting random Joes. The bulk of criticism for this design is from architects. Why did Charlie ignore it? Great question. Anyway, they cancelled the building a few months ago.

oh_sigh 3y ago
No, I don't give a shit about Charlie. I do dislike uninformed kneejerk reactions though. No, the bulk of the criticism has come from uninformed joes like yourself. Some architects have spoken out against it, and some have spoken for it.
- mpalmer 3y ago
  > I do dislike uninformed kneejerk reactions though. Your strength of feeling on the matter is literally incredible.
  - IncreasePosts 3y ago
    It's incredible that I don't like uninformed knee jerk reactions? Okay, to each their own. In any case, how much or little I care about it is irrelevant to whether it is an uninformed kneejerk reaction. But hey, however strong I feel, it must be less than how much pg does, since he wrote an entire essay on middlebrow dismissal
    - mpalmer 3y ago
      Oh, are you the same person as oh_sigh? Good to know.
      - IncreasePosts 3y ago
        Yup, sorry. I started responding on my phone which has a different account logged in.
    - maxbond 3y ago

jhbadger 3y ago

Munger is not a trained architect. Just as I would not want to undergo surgery by someone without a medical degree, I wouldn't want to live in a building not designed by an actual architect. Being rich doesn't suddenly make you an expert in all fields.

IncreasePosts 3y ago
Large buildings cannot be built in America without the sign off of licensed architect. No architect would sign off on the building of it was an unlivable monstrosity.
- deleted 3y ago
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- defrost 3y ago
  That's simply untrue. You can find at least one of <almost any profession> in America who will happily sign off on dubious work in exchange for $$$. That's capitalism for you. Yes, there are people with high standards and ethics, but it'd be hard work to find a professional niche that was solely made up of people that couldn't be influenced by a chequebook. An ugly building is a no brainer .. it's not like it's teetering on the verge of collapse and about to kill all the residents.
  - IncreasePosts 3y ago
    I can't believe there are many architects signing off for money on dubious designs, since they wouldn't be architects for long as soon as one thing went wrong with the building.
jacobr1 3y ago
Did he not get professionals to translate his designs into something firmer?