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You are probably right; I just don't really see what's to be gained by going public with it considering the complaints are pretty inside-baseball and not that i

You are probably right; I just don't really see what's to be gained by going public with it considering the complaints are pretty inside-baseball and not that interesting to outsiders (I mean, hard to imagine someone thinking "I'm not going to deal with Google because so-and-so's subordinates say they don't understand her strategy").

Capricorn2481 3y ago
I will certainly not use Dart if a person in charge of its direction doesn't know what they're doing even at a basic level. I can't just blindly hope her team does what's best and doesn't listen to her.
- emodendroket 3y ago
  It'd be hard to find an org where you couldn't find someone to make similar complaints.
  - Capricorn2481 3y ago
    I'm in one. This is a pretty specific dressing down from a senior engineer. It's disturbing, and consistent with Google's output
- henrytill 3y ago
  I found myself asking the same questions after reading the post. You might consider reading the followup post: https://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1700627532&count=1 https://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1700627532&count=1 It suggests that, in spite of his problems with management, the author remains bullish about Flutter (and likely Dart).
- thrownaway9739 3y ago
  The Dart team certainly has vision! The VP above might not, but who cares...
teaearlgraycold 3y ago
It’s just venting. A person in the author’s position must feel that the mediocre management robbed them of a core part of their identity.
- sage76 3y ago
  You are implying that every manager is competent and every criticism from a subordinate is baseless.
  - teaearlgraycold 3y ago
    Not at all. This is a false dichotomy
hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
> I mean, hard to imagine someone thinking "I'm not going to deal with Google because so-and-so's subordinates say they don't understand her strategy" I'm not quite there, but as a heavy Firebase user who generally loves the product but who has been incredibly frustrated with a lot of the (lack of) direction of new features over the past 4 years or so, reading this post made me think "Ohhh, now it makes sense." That is, there are basic, presumably easy-to-implement, features that have languished for years in Firebase. Part of me has wanted to go interview with Firebase just so I can get hired to fix some obvious missing feature. Now, granted, it's obviously impossible to pin this directly on this manager, and this is also a Google-wide problem, but I think the author's point is that a lot of this "directionless-ness" is a result of poor middle management.
- teaearlgraycold 3y ago
  Once I got inside Google it wasn’t long until I had the “Aha moment” and understood why Google’s new products are in turmoil.

Capricorn2481 3y ago

I will certainly not use Dart if a person in charge of its direction doesn't know what they're doing even at a basic level. I can't just blindly hope her team does what's best and doesn't listen to her.

emodendroket 3y ago
It'd be hard to find an org where you couldn't find someone to make similar complaints.
- Capricorn2481 3y ago
  I'm in one. This is a pretty specific dressing down from a senior engineer. It's disturbing, and consistent with Google's output
henrytill 3y ago
I found myself asking the same questions after reading the post. You might consider reading the followup post: https://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1700627532&count=1 https://ln.hixie.ch/?start=1700627532&count=1 It suggests that, in spite of his problems with management, the author remains bullish about Flutter (and likely Dart).
thrownaway9739 3y ago
The Dart team certainly has vision! The VP above might not, but who cares...

teaearlgraycold 3y ago

It’s just venting. A person in the author’s position must feel that the mediocre management robbed them of a core part of their identity.

sage76 3y ago
You are implying that every manager is competent and every criticism from a subordinate is baseless.
- teaearlgraycold 3y ago
  Not at all. This is a false dichotomy

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago

> I mean, hard to imagine someone thinking "I'm not going to deal with Google because so-and-so's subordinates say they don't understand her strategy" I'm not quite there, but as a heavy Firebase user who generally loves the product but who has been incredibly frustrated with a lot of the (lack of) direction of new features over the past 4 years or so, reading this post made me think "Ohhh, now it makes sense." That is, there are basic, presumably easy-to-implement, features that have languished for years in Firebase. Part of me has wanted to go interview with Firebase just so I can get hired to fix some obvious missing feature. Now, granted, it's obviously impossible to pin this directly on this manager, and this is also a Google-wide problem, but I think the author's point is that a lot of this "directionless-ness" is a result of poor middle management.

teaearlgraycold 3y ago
Once I got inside Google it wasn’t long until I had the “Aha moment” and understood why Google’s new products are in turmoil.