4 ms·

I think the post is spot on, but I don't agree with naming names especially when the other person doesn't get an opportunity to tell their side of the story. Wh

I think the post is spot on, but I don't agree with naming names especially when the other person doesn't get an opportunity to tell their side of the story. What if Ian's manager posted her own nasty missive criticizing him as an employee? Such things can damage someone's future career without any fair process to sort out the facts. I wouldn't at all be surprised that such manager exists and is not being held accountable internally, but it would be unfair to make conclusions based on unsubstantiated accusations,

compiler-guy 3y ago
In the past, such criticism of a leader would show up internally via Googlegeist and the leader and their reports would all know and possibly adjust. Cutting Googlegeist has knock on effects that create problems like this. The rank and file no longer have a way to communicate back up the chain honestly and things like this come out.
- justin66 3y ago
  The vast majority of professionals resist the urge to call out their manager on a blog after they quit a job. Even without Googlegeist.
  - pluto_modadic 3y ago
    so things like glassdoor shouldn't exist? or people shouldn't warn of bad managers/jobs?
    - justin66 3y ago
      I've derived some entertainment from the crappy Glassdoor reviews one of the shitty companies I worked at gets. There's a world of difference between those anonymous reviews on Glassdoor, which are sometimes useful and almost never call out by name anyone below the executive level, and what we're talking about here today.
  - ajkjk 3y ago
    imo, they should not resist it. It is shameful to let bad things bad stay in the world unless you really need the self-preservation, and somebody with 18 years of google money does not.
    - justin66 3y ago
      > It is shameful to let bad things bad stay in the world It's incredibly goofy to characterize trashing someone in a blog post as a battle to destroy evil.
      - ajkjk 3y ago
        Not really? It's a microcosm of the battle, sure, but it's still the same battle. People vs entrenched unaccountable power. Same story everywhere.
gniv 3y ago
It doesn't even matter whether the critique is true and fair. Naming names like this in public is potentially very damaging and should not be done.
- eviks 3y ago
  Not naming names is also potentially very damaging, so should not be done?

compiler-guy 3y ago

In the past, such criticism of a leader would show up internally via Googlegeist and the leader and their reports would all know and possibly adjust. Cutting Googlegeist has knock on effects that create problems like this. The rank and file no longer have a way to communicate back up the chain honestly and things like this come out.

justin66 3y ago
The vast majority of professionals resist the urge to call out their manager on a blog after they quit a job. Even without Googlegeist.
- pluto_modadic 3y ago
  so things like glassdoor shouldn't exist? or people shouldn't warn of bad managers/jobs?
  - justin66 3y ago
    I've derived some entertainment from the crappy Glassdoor reviews one of the shitty companies I worked at gets. There's a world of difference between those anonymous reviews on Glassdoor, which are sometimes useful and almost never call out by name anyone below the executive level, and what we're talking about here today.
- ajkjk 3y ago
  imo, they should not resist it. It is shameful to let bad things bad stay in the world unless you really need the self-preservation, and somebody with 18 years of google money does not.
  - justin66 3y ago
    > It is shameful to let bad things bad stay in the world It's incredibly goofy to characterize trashing someone in a blog post as a battle to destroy evil.
    - ajkjk 3y ago
      Not really? It's a microcosm of the battle, sure, but it's still the same battle. People vs entrenched unaccountable power. Same story everywhere.

gniv 3y ago

It doesn't even matter whether the critique is true and fair. Naming names like this in public is potentially very damaging and should not be done.

eviks 3y ago
Not naming names is also potentially very damaging, so should not be done?