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> We need to sit down and find an example where some money-making endeavor made life worse for most people, and scrub those dollars from the record. Perhaps we'

> We need to sit down and find an example where some money-making endeavor made life worse for most people, and scrub those dollars from the record. Perhaps we'll do this yearly. And then what? Just sitting down and finding out that some thing some people did made some other people's life worse won't put the gains of the first group of people in jeopardy — unless you do something more tangible. What do propose that should be?

__MatrixMan__ 3y ago
Once we know which money is working against our interests, we stop accepting that money. If people show up at the grocery store with it, they leave empty handed. Eventually, people start assessing risks differently, and stop investing in endeavors that are likely to leave them in that situation.
- Joker_vD 3y ago
  Who are those "we"? How do you check that nobody of those "we" defects? Strikebreaking is a thing. > If people show up at the grocery store with it What if those grocery stores are actually the chain that's owned by one of those "bad" companies? Those grocery stores won't implement your policy, and now what? Plus I'm fairly certain you'll run afoul of some anti-discrimination law or another. Really, if you're engaging in wishful thinking you may as well just wish for everyone to be nice and be done with it.
  - __MatrixMan__ 3y ago
    > Really, if you're engaging in wishful thinking you may as well just wish for everyone to be nice and be done with it. I disagree. "Everyone be nice" is not something that can be engineered. As hackers, we can live it, and we should, but we can't hack towards it. > Strikebreaking is a thing. The kind of information hygiene that makes strike breaking a more difficult endeavor is the kind of thing we can hack towards. So many of our problems today come from how we've organized our information infrastructure (there's a lot of centralized authority in it). If we find ways to do it differently, if we practice ways to do it differently, then we may be able to achieve different outcomes.

__MatrixMan__ 3y ago

Once we know which money is working against our interests, we stop accepting that money. If people show up at the grocery store with it, they leave empty handed. Eventually, people start assessing risks differently, and stop investing in endeavors that are likely to leave them in that situation.

Joker_vD 3y ago
Who are those "we"? How do you check that nobody of those "we" defects? Strikebreaking is a thing. > If people show up at the grocery store with it What if those grocery stores are actually the chain that's owned by one of those "bad" companies? Those grocery stores won't implement your policy, and now what? Plus I'm fairly certain you'll run afoul of some anti-discrimination law or another. Really, if you're engaging in wishful thinking you may as well just wish for everyone to be nice and be done with it.
- __MatrixMan__ 3y ago
  > Really, if you're engaging in wishful thinking you may as well just wish for everyone to be nice and be done with it. I disagree. "Everyone be nice" is not something that can be engineered. As hackers, we can live it, and we should, but we can't hack towards it. > Strikebreaking is a thing. The kind of information hygiene that makes strike breaking a more difficult endeavor is the kind of thing we can hack towards. So many of our problems today come from how we've organized our information infrastructure (there's a lot of centralized authority in it). If we find ways to do it differently, if we practice ways to do it differently, then we may be able to achieve different outcomes.