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Very easy to hate them if: 1) Any innocents die because of their leaks. Which is probably something we'd never discover. 2) They only pick on NATO and its all

Very easy to hate them if: 1) Any innocents die because of their leaks. Which is probably something we'd never discover. 2) They only pick on NATO and its allies and not on mass murdering agencies in other countries. It's also easy to have them if they don't practice due diligence in what they release (back to point 1). https://www.darkowl.com/blog-content/darkowl-cyber-group-spotlight-siegedsec-and-leaked-data/ https://www.darkowl.com/blog-content/darkowl-cyber-group-spo... > They have successfully targeted companies across numerous diverse industry sectors around the globe including healthcare Seems very problematic to me targeting healthcare companies. > <transcribing an image 40% down the page> I do everything I do for the lulz! For entertainment and to have fun. Yeah, very easy to hate random Joker-wannabes. Putting the expletive back in edgelord. Partisans I can like or dislike for whatever reasons. People inventing justifications for their chaos creation are crap from the get go. > The group also appears to have close associations with GhostSec, a prominent hacking group with an extensive darknet history who has become increasingly popular for their attacks against Russia in the cyberwar. It looks like not just NATO, then.

elevaet 3y ago
I don't know the details of what kinds of actions this group actually undertakes, so maybe I'm wrong with this assumption, but by publicly exposing sloppy security without actively endangering people or demanding ransom payments, they are probably tempering security of their targets in the long term by exposing sloppy security practices. Free pen-testing.
vasco 3y ago
All things considered I think the world is better with some of these people doing these things for the lulz.
- hulitu 3y ago
  Would be better if security will be taken seriously. But people like entertaiment, so evething those days is security theater (drama).
r053bud 3y ago
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- EA-3167 3y ago
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- hmmmcurious1 3y ago
  You missed writing stopping between murdering and agency
youcantcook 3y ago
In the 90s, people made a decision to increase the speed from 60mph to 65mph knowing it would kill people. Based on point one, many leaders are murderers, but we typically don't view our leaders as murderers. My question is why is it bad if some "terrorist" does it if people we know do it, it isn't a bad thing. Sounds like semantics are the real murderer here
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  Yes, if we start redefining words for rhetorical convenience, the argument devolves into semantics.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  I never used the words "murder" or "murderer".
  - youcantcook 3y ago
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    - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
      I'm not autistic, I have mild OCD. Law makes a distinction between various kinds of wrongful deaths for reasons. I agree with many of these reasons.
altairprime 3y ago
> Very easy to hate them if: 1) Any innocents die because of their leaks. Idaho drivers have been killing innocents on the street at a rate of one every two days for the past decade or more, yet people seem quite capable of not hating Idaho drivers, so this outcome is much less certain than you’ve declared here. It’s much more likely that people will hate them first for being gay, furry, and/or hackers; and then claim any plausible justification for pre-existing hatred, whether imagined or real, whether statistically significant or not, so that they feel morally authorized to execute hate upon others. I’ve always assumed this group was an hate-promoting operation, rather than a bunch of prideful idiots bearing cool labels. Either they’re incredibly stupid and are unconcerned with the hate they’ll bring down upon others — or they’re intentionally bringing down hate on the the labels present as. They seem quite able to hack, and they selected the exact labels that get the media to publicize their hacks, so it’s difficulty to defend a Hanlon’s stupidity outcome. Either way, it’s incredibly disappointing to see.
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  This is a false grouping. Idaho drivers aren't working together.

elevaet 3y ago

I don't know the details of what kinds of actions this group actually undertakes, so maybe I'm wrong with this assumption, but by publicly exposing sloppy security without actively endangering people or demanding ransom payments, they are probably tempering security of their targets in the long term by exposing sloppy security practices. Free pen-testing.

vasco 3y ago

All things considered I think the world is better with some of these people doing these things for the lulz.

hulitu 3y ago
Would be better if security will be taken seriously. But people like entertaiment, so evething those days is security theater (drama).

r053bud 3y ago

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EA-3167 3y ago
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hmmmcurious1 3y ago
You missed writing stopping between murdering and agency

youcantcook 3y ago

In the 90s, people made a decision to increase the speed from 60mph to 65mph knowing it would kill people. Based on point one, many leaders are murderers, but we typically don't view our leaders as murderers. My question is why is it bad if some "terrorist" does it if people we know do it, it isn't a bad thing. Sounds like semantics are the real murderer here

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
Yes, if we start redefining words for rhetorical convenience, the argument devolves into semantics.
anonymouskimmer 3y ago
I never used the words "murder" or "murderer".
- youcantcook 3y ago
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  - anonymouskimmer 3y ago
    I'm not autistic, I have mild OCD. Law makes a distinction between various kinds of wrongful deaths for reasons. I agree with many of these reasons.

altairprime 3y ago

> Very easy to hate them if: 1) Any innocents die because of their leaks. Idaho drivers have been killing innocents on the street at a rate of one every two days for the past decade or more, yet people seem quite capable of not hating Idaho drivers, so this outcome is much less certain than you’ve declared here. It’s much more likely that people will hate them first for being gay, furry, and/or hackers; and then claim any plausible justification for pre-existing hatred, whether imagined or real, whether statistically significant or not, so that they feel morally authorized to execute hate upon others. I’ve always assumed this group was an hate-promoting operation, rather than a bunch of prideful idiots bearing cool labels. Either they’re incredibly stupid and are unconcerned with the hate they’ll bring down upon others — or they’re intentionally bringing down hate on the the labels present as. They seem quite able to hack, and they selected the exact labels that get the media to publicize their hacks, so it’s difficulty to defend a Hanlon’s stupidity outcome. Either way, it’s incredibly disappointing to see.

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
This is a false grouping. Idaho drivers aren't working together.